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From Steve Loughran <>
Subject Re: Python implementation for Ant
Date Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:24:35 GMT
Hans Schwaebli wrote:
> What do you think about the XML format used for writing Ant scripts? I don't like it.

Interesting religious issue there. I know a lot of anti-XML people, and 
tools like rake, capistrano and puppet all use ruby as their language 
for describing building or deploying stuff.

at the same time, the nice thing about XML is that there are a lot of 
XML-specific tools, all of which work with ant nicely. So there is some 
benefit in tooling from having a common language, even if XML is pretty 
painful at times.

>   What about writing Ant scripts in a script language like Python or Jython instead of
writing them in XML? I think it would be much more productive.

gratuitous product placement: smartfrog, has the 
ability to run ant stuff as part of a deployment:
   copyTask2 extends copy {
       todir "/juliotmp/kk";
       filtering "true";
       verbose "true";
       myFileSet extends fileset {
         dir "/";
         includes "*.txt";

       globMapper extends globmapper {
         from "*";
         to "*.bak";


Its there to give you access to all the ant tasks during a deployment, 
letting you do late binding stuff like creating a WAR file on the fly, 
rather than at build time.

Its not intended to be a replacement at build time, though these days I 
kind of blur the two. Is creating a WAR file for a specific host a build 
time thing, or a deployment activity?

>   There seems to be a private project for this, but it is not official, not from Apache.

in the OSS world, there is no *official*. If its good, use it!


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