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From "Stephen L. De Rudder" <>
Subject RE: ANT Wiki isn't wiki
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:02:21 GMT

First let me apologize to anyone taking the second and third sentences to be anything other
than a lame attempt of sarcastic humor. I tried to indicate that the definition of wiki can
be interpreted different than mine. I don't want to turn this into a flame war. It is a pet
peeve of mine and when I find web sites labeled as a wiki, that are not a wiki (by my definition
of wiki) I tend to point it out. I clearly didn't state enough that this is "IMHO". While
I stand behind my opinion I don't want to be a jerk about it. SLDR(Stephen L. De Rudder) >
> To:
> Subject: RE: ANT Wiki isn't wiki
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:16:16 -0500
> By my definition of wiki it should allow all users to edit any page or to create a new
page. Oh, that also happens to be Ward Cunningham's definition, and he created the first wiki
and defined it that way. Oh, also agrees with my definition.  I realize
that your definition of wiki may be different, and I am not trying to get into a I am right
your wrong (there is plenty of room for different interpretations). In my opinion a wiki should
allow all users to edit and create pages and if it doesn't it shouldn't be called a wiki.
I also understand that it may be a wiki (by my definition) to a select group of people that
could be made available (as a non-wiki) for a larger group of people. To the larger group
of people it should be called something else.  Maybe if enough people research it and come
of with my interpretation of the definition of wiki then maybe consider renaming it (or not).
Regardless it would be nice to have a publicly editable site for contributors like me to contribute
to (besides this mailing list).  SLDR(Stephen L. De Rudder)> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:30:32
> > Subject: Re: ANT Wiki isn't wiki
> > From:
> > To:
> > 
> > A wiki doesn't have to be publicly editable to be a wiki. Wikipedia may
> > operate like that, but there are plenty of projects whose wikis are only
> > editable by registered users.
> > On Apr 15, 2012 6:32 PM, "Stephen L. De Rudder" <> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The ant wiki isn't a wiki. It seems like most if not all the pages can not
> > > be modified by anonymous contributers. Please don't call it a wiki if
> > > people are not allowed to contribute. I wanted to add a page about the OS
> > > condition tag, but I couldn't. The manual only goes into detail about the
> > > <OS family="xxx"> stuff but ignores the name, arch, and version. It took
> > > a while but I found that those seem to be populated from the java
> > > properties, os.arch, and os.version. I think others could have
> > > benifited from my research if your wiki was a wiki. SLDR(Stephen L. De
> > > Rudder) I can't complain too much, the company I work for created a public
> > > wiki too. They do allow paying maintence and support customers to request
> > > access so they can contribute to the wiki (none to my knoledge have). After
> > > enough complaining (mostly be me) we are about to remove the wiki and
> > > rollout an expanded faq/blog site.
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