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From Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Tue, 12 May 2015 05:57:22 GMT
Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers on the mailing lists page [2].
The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!) dropdown.

Cheers,
Till

[1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
[2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>

> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1].
> 
> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update it again?
> 
> Cheers,
> Till
> 
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
> 
>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
>> 
>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
is available now.
>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at [1].
>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I).
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Till
>>> 
>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator <https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
>>> 
>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cool!
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see candidate
>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply with no
>>>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts the message
>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is deleted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the reply-all trick.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying "this note may
indeed
>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way, I’m
>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
<mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators rather
than fewer.
>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation traffic
to be
>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators is
very, very
>>>>>>>> low.
>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing it it
higher, I
>>>>>>>> think,
>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this.
>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few moderators
for the
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the
other lists.
>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC members
moderate as
>>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for the
users list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision
that has no impact outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC
members (mentors +
>>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested issue,
we could take
>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your
proposal is accepted,
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
<mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose
now that we close in on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this
one. I realize there are
>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already
who are decidedly
>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to have
a list "for
>>>>>>>>> them"
>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and volume).
 Is there a
>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by those
that get to
>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study in a post-joining-incubation
>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49
AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We currently
have one and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and
the discussions are at a
>>>>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list,
so developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not
necessarily the other way
>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single
list would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated
notifications, like Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those
to a user list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


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