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From Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Tue, 12 May 2015 04:45:52 GMT
users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org> is
available now.
Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down.

Cheers,
Till

> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at [1].
> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I).
> 
> Cheers,
> Till
> 
> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
> 
>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Cool!
>> 
>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see candidate
>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply with no
>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts the message
>>> and whitelists the sender.
>>> 
>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is deleted.
>>> 
>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the reply-all trick.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying "this note may indeed
>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way, I’m
>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators rather than
fewer.
>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation traffic to
be
>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators is very,
very
>>>>>> low.
>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing it it higher,
I
>>>>>> think,
>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this.
>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few moderators for
the
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the other lists.
>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC members moderate
as
>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for the users list.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision that has
no impact outside
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC members
(mentors +
>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested issue, we
could take
>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your proposal
is accepted,
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose now
that we close in on a
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this one.
I realize there are
>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already who are
decidedly
>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to have a list
"for
>>>>>>> them"
>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and volume).
 Is there a
>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by those that
get to
>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study in a post-joining-incubation
>>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till
Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We currently have
one and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and the discussions
are at a
>>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list, so developers
>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not necessarily
the other way
>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single list would
work
>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated notifications,
like Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those to a user
list?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
> 


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