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From Henry Saputra <>
Subject Re: Where to place meeting notes?
Date Sun, 17 May 2015 17:37:20 GMT
Totally Agree.

Meetings outside dev list could still happen, especially if face to face
feel like needed.
Then if there are some topics need to be expressed to community like road
map or design proposals.

Many other ASF projects origin from academic settings like Mesos, spark,
Flink have successfully found balance to make it work.

On Sunday, May 17, 2015, Mike Carey <> wrote:

> Agreed!  We don't want to dismantle our university project meetings - but
> - we also do want to share what happens in that context with the whole
> community.  No decisions will be made in those meetings - the dev list will
> always be used to discuss stuff and to get consensus/decisions made - but
> they do serve a useful purpose to keep progress being made and
> accountability for those whose "day job" it is to be contributing on a
> weekly basis. This would be like if Hortonworks or Cloudera published notes
> from their internal meetings and shared them with the rest of the Hadoop
> community - so it's actually intended as added openness rather than
> closed-ness or inner circle-ness.  (We could decide to just not share the
> notes, which is what probably goes on elsewhere - but we thought it might
> be nice to be all the more open.)  Make sense?
> On 5/17/15 3:21 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>> The question is not, whether there is something "useful" (for whom)?
>> It is generally recommended to avoid inner circles, and the like, and
>> have as much transparency as possible. That avoids that others are
>> getting the feeling to be outsiders.
>> Jochen
>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chris Hillery <>
>> wrote:
>>> I don't think you're going to get a lot of useful real-time discussion
>>> about things via IRC. At that point, we may as well just send status in
>>> email - which I'm not necessarily opposed to, but that does seem like a
>>> fairly significant shift in group culture.
>>> Ceej
>>> aka Chris Hillery
>>> On May 16, 2015 11:06 PM, "Mike Carey" <> wrote:
>>>  That sounds like an interesting possibility....!
>>>> On 5/15/15 11:01 PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
>>>>  We could what Apache Aurora did. Using IRC to do the meeting and allow
>>>>> ASF IRC bot [1] to record and send to dev@ list.
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Ian Maxon <> wrote:
>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>> Most of us attend a weekly "AsterixDB" meeting, either via Skype
>>>>>> in-person. However the focus of this meeting is two fold. One part
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> regarding the development of AsterixDB, and the other part is about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> research efforts that many of us are undertaking, that may not
>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>> be directly relevant to AsterixDB itself.
>>>>>> Because of that, the minutes from these weekly meetings often contain
>>>>>> things that would be of interest to all committers and folks otherwise
>>>>>> interested in AsterixDB, but they also contain things that are
>>>>>> unrelated.
>>>>>> So on one hand it seems natural to post the minutes to this
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> list, I think there is still uncertainty about whether or not simply
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> that is the right thing.
>>>>>> Have other Apache projects dealt with this situation? i.e. what to
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> meetings contain information and decisions relevant to the project,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> also address other non-Apache concerns? Any/all guidance and input
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> - Ian

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