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From Ian Maxon <ima...@uci.edu>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Wed, 13 May 2015 00:29:07 GMT
Oh, on the commit logs? Unfortunately in Gerrit it takes the committer from
the account's email address, I believe...

- Ian

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> Do you want to use use the UCI or the Apache e-mail address?
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:
>
> > If I'm not already a moderator I'd be happy to volunteer...
> >
> > - Ian
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > We currently have 7 moderators, so I think that we can just take you
> out
> > > (I guess that requires and infra-request, is that right?).
> > >
> > > On the other hand I would be more than happy if we found another
> > volunteer
> > > moderator!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > > On May 11, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
> > jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a moderator.
> > > > (As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till wrote,
> > > > list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jochen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers on
> the
> > > mailing lists page [2].
> > > >> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!)
> dropdown.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Till
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <
> > > https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
> > > >> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <
> > > http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1].
> > > >>>
> > > >>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update
it
> > > again?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>> Till
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
> > <mailto:
> > > tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> > > users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org> is available now.
> > > >>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list
down.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>> Till
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
> > <mailto:
> > > tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request
form at
> [1].
> > > >>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers
(Mike and
> > I).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>> Till
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
<
> > > https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
> > <mailto:
> > > dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Cool!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that
moderators see
> > > candidate
> > > >>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.
 Reply with
> no
> > > >>>>>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all
accepts
> the
> > > message
> > > >>>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days,
the message is
> > > deleted.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part
is the the
> > reply-all
> > > trick.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail
saying "this note
> > > may indeed
> > > >>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all
be trying to
> watch?)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide
to do it that way,
> I’m
> > > >>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning
<
> > ted.dunning@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have
more moderators rather
> > > than fewer.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the
amount of moderation
> > traffic
> > > to be
> > > >>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load
on the moderators is
> > > very, very
> > > >>>>>>>>>> low.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without
quite knowing it it
> > > higher, I
> > > >>>>>>>>>> think,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till
Westmann <
> > tillw@apache.org
> > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way
to request this.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right
way, we need a few moderators
> > > for the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> list.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are
the moderators for the other
> > > lists.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or
should other PPMC members
> > > moderate as
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> well?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till
Westmann <tillw@apache.org
> > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM,
Till Westmann <
> tillw@apache.org
> > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected,
I’ll ask for the users list.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16
AM, Till Westmann <
> > > tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just
a procedural decision that has no
> > impact
> > > outside
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling,
I think that the PPMC members
> > > (mentors +
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> initial
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to
decide.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not
a highly contested issue, we
> > > could take
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy
consensus [1], i.e. your proposal
> is
> > > accepted,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at
08:09, Mike Carey <
> dtabass@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions,
I'd like to propose now that we
> > > close in on a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and
user" - answer to this one. I
> realize
> > > there are
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have
some users already who
> are
> > > decidedly
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more
coming - I'd like to have a
> > > list "for
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> them"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on
it (by its topics and
> volume).
> > > Is there a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to
a vote/decision by those
> that
> > > get to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first
case-study in a
> > > post-joining-incubation
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46
AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann <
> > > tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure
that I want one. We currently have
> > > one and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some
reasonable traffic and the discussions are
> > at
> > > a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> user-level.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed
to the user-list, so
> > > developers
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware
of user problems but not necessarily the
> other
> > > way
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> around.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty
well, but maybe a single list
> > would
> > > work
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB
developers?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about
automatically generated notifications, like
> > > Jira issues,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages,
etc.?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't
recommend to push those to a user list?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Any world that can produce the Taj Mahal, William Shakespeare,
> > > > and Stripe toothpaste can't be all bad. (C.R. MacNamara, One Two
> Three)
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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