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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] [Axis2] Sessions on by default?
Date Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:56:50 GMT

A VOTE is a VOTE :) let's please live with it.


On 12/30/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 09:39 +0100, Werner Dittmann wrote:
> > [X] - Don't switch on sessions by default
> >
> > Well, I'm not an Axis developer, but makeing web services
> > "statefull" (session aware) by default is IMO not a good idea.
> > If some web services need "session" it should be done deliberatly
> > because the system must take care of the session data.
> >
> > Just think about scaleability (load sharing) of webservices on
> > different servers using IP load balancers. If a service
> > needs some state (session data) this state must be replicated
> > to all servers by some means, otherwise you can't perform
> > load sharing. Such a thing has to be designed, your overall
> > solution must be aware of it etc etc.
> Werner, you've got it all backwards .. the issue is on the client side,
> not on the server. On the server if the service is session scoped then
> you *have to* create service contexts and store them against the cookie
> ID until they time out. *None* of the points you made apply to the
> situation at hand!
> The question Dims asked is about what the default should be for clients.
> I disagree with the apparently popular choice of no sessions because if
> a service has multiple operations then in most cases the operations have
> some relationships between them. The question really amounts to asking
> how often do people have session scoped services vs. application scoped
> services. If they are application scoped then basically the cookie stuff
> makes no difference: either the service is totally stateless and it
> ignores all context or its truly stateful and remembers something from
> every request.
> IMO the natural behavior should be to maintain sessions by default.
> That's what even Apache SOAP did back many years ago.
> I was out of town for a few days so was not able to reply in a timely
> manner to convince more voters :(. Can we have a re-vote based on the
> information that Werner's explanation does not apply at all and at least
> 3 people voted based on that?
> Sanjiva.

Davanum Srinivas :

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