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From "Jaliya Ekanayake" <jnekanay...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: WSS4J 2.0(?)
Date Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:30:38 GMT
Hi All,

Few thoughts from me.

We cannot expect people to use QoS projects like Kandula and Sandesha 
without axis1 or axis2 and also we can expect axiom and WSS4J to be used 
more independently. In addition they all come under WS* projects. So I would 
like to suggest this.

Let's make all these modules separate sub projects may be under WS* and then 
have a clear definition of their tasks and compatibilities so that the sub 
projects can have an SNAPSHOT of axis2 or axis1 and have its own development 
cycles. (Similar to what we have for Sandesha and Kandula).

As Chinthaka mentioned we need those integration tests to be in axis2 and 
also the sub projects should have a set of test cases to check their 
compatibility with the latest axis2 version that they support.

In addition we need to have some links in the respective web pages for the 
users to know what modules(sub projects) they should use to get the required 
QoSs.

Thanks,
-Jaliya


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruchith Fernando" <ruchith.fernando@gmail.com>
To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: WSS4J 2.0(?)


> Hi,
>
> In the case of Axiom I think we can now consider it to be a very much
> general XML object model, and I believe it has many other users other
> than Axis2 and Axis2 related projects ... and it sure can be moved out
> of ws-commons (may be as a Apache TLP ??) and it probably will get
> more visibility and more ppl will use it.
>
> As I mentioned earlier ...  moved away from grouping WS-* impls when
> we flattened WS-FX ... If we group these projects again then ... are
> you suggesting we recreate something like WS-FX? In that case for
> example rampart/c will be a sub project of rampart project which is a
> sub project of the new ws-fx project which is a sub project of the
> Apache WS project. Sounds too deep to me :-(.
>
> Thanks,
> Ruchith
>
> On 9/1/06, Ajith Ranabahu <ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Ok, the fact that they are the home for their C counterparts is valid
>> to some extent to make it to the top level ( I mean as direct children
>> of WS project - subsequent uses of top level would mean the same
>> stated otherwise). But why did we place XMLSchema, Axiom, neethi,
>> tcpmon and such  independent pieces of software inside  ws-commons
>> then ? If we are promoting rampart, rahas and savan as ellegible to be
>> in the top level,  Axiom, Neethi and XMLSchema deserve to come out of
>> their hiding as well :)
>> Simply what I'm trying to point out is this. Rampart, Rahas ans Savan
>> are very tightly bound to Axis2 and no one is able to use them as
>> 'standalone' pieces (As opposed to something like WSS4J which is not
>> bound to any such framework). It would be better to reflect this
>> obvious fact in the project structure as well.
>>
>> Ajith
>>
>> On 8/31/06, Ruchith Fernando <ruchith.fernando@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ajith,
>> >
>> > If we implement this, it is going to be exactly similar to the WS-FX
>> > project ... which we got rid of, some time back !
>> >
>> > It is much more clearer to have the different WS-* implementations at
>> > direct children of the WS project.
>> >
>> > Also its important to note that these sub-projects (Rampart, Rahas,
>> > Sandesha, Kandula etc) will also provide a home for their
>> > implementations in other languages as well , such as C.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ruchith
>> >
>> > On 9/1/06, Ajith Ranabahu <ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I'm also +1 on this move - it makes things modular and easy to 
>> > > handle.
>> > > BTW I don't think you need to move the integration tests - they are
>> > > *Axis2* integration tests and they should not go to any other 
>> > > project!
>> > >  Of course the rampart module will be external after the change but
>> > > that does not mean that the integration tests have to be too :)
>> > > I would also like to draw your attention to the structure of the
>> > > projects as well. If you look at the current project structure almost
>> > > all the projects that are under the ws project space are mostly
>> > > independent of each other [1]. For example WSS4J,Woden (which is
>> > > really incubated) and other tit bits in ws-commons. It is true that
>> > > there are projects that are explicitly focused on adding support to
>> > > other projects (like Kandula and Sandesha) but what I feel is that
>> > > since Savan and rampart are going to be very Axis2 specific, they
>> > > would not fit as immediate children of the ws project space. To me it
>> > > makes good sense to have a sub project called Axis2-modules (whatever
>> > > the name you guys prefer. I don't want it to be another naming war 
>> > > :))
>> > > and have savan and rampart under that - just like what we have in
>> > > ws-commons right now.
>> > >
>> > > do I make any sense ?
>> > >
>> > > Ajith
>> > >
>> > > [1] http://ws.apache.org/#Project+List
>> > >
>> > > On 8/31/06, Eran Chinthaka <chinthaka@opensource.lk> wrote:
>> > > > Another big +1 from me too.
>> > > >
>> > > > I was really worried about the increasing number of modules within

>> > > > Axis2
>> > > > project, but didn't take this up as people were busy with other
>> > > > important issues. I'd like to add two more things to Ruchith's 
>> > > > proposal.
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. Move Savan also to a sub-project out of Axis2
>> > > >
>> > > > 2. Write some integration tests in Axis2 to compensate the valuable
>> > > > tests Ruchith had written to test the integrity of Axis2 client and
>> > > > server. Whenever you do some random changes in Axis2, security 
>> > > > tests
>> > > > were failing as they were the only tests which tested the real
>> > > > integration. Since these tests also will be moved with Rahas and
>> > > > Rampart, we need to have some tests to compensate them
>> > > >
>> > > > 3. Need to have a gump like thingy setup to run all the tests in 
>> > > > Axis2
>> > > > and related projects and to bug whoever breaks the total build.
>> > > >
>> > > > Any volunteers?
>> > > >
>> > > > -- Chinthaka
>> > > >
>> > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>> > > > > On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 20:28 +0530, Ruchith Fernando wrote:
>> > > > >> Basically how about pushing these up to be two new sub projects

>> > > > >> or the
>> > > > >> Apache Web services project :
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Ramaprt - WS-Security and WS-SecureConversation implementation
>> > > > >> Rahas - WS-Trust implementation
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> This is similar to the way we have Sandesha (WS-RM impl),
and 
>> > > > >> they
>> > > > >> will have their own release cycles etc. ?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Big +1 from me. I don't see any need to clutter up WSS4J with
all 
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > stuff - let's keep WSS4J at the level it is and add separate

>> > > > > projects to
>> > > > > cover the other functionality (which are Axis2 and Axiom coupled
>> > > > > anyway).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sanjiva.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ajith Ranabahu
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