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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: Axis move to the Attic (was: Board concerns over Axis project reports - README)
Date Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:03:30 GMT
+1 from me (Axis->Attic). Lot's of good memories :) Thanks Shane.

-- Dims

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> (bcc: general@, c-dev@, board@ for FYI)
> Since there hasn't been any response to the below email by any PMC
> members (or indeed any community members), it may be time Axis to go to
> the Apache Attic, and turn the entire project read-only.
> To be blunt: if there are not three active PMC members to ensure that
> the board has quarterly reports and the project could vote on a
> potential security release, my estimate is that the board will move the
> entire Axis project to the Attic no later than the November board
> meeting, possibly earlier.
> I strongly urge any PMC members or even committers on the project to
> step up, propose a new PMC chair, and work on a report for the board ASAP.
> ---- Some perspective on why board reports are important ----
> In the governance model at the ASF the board delegates responsibility
> for managing projects to PMCs. To enable to board to provide oversight
> across the foundation, the the PMCs aretasked with providing the board
> with a quarterly report on the health of the project. The board has
> noticed that the reports for XXX have been missed for a number
> of months.
> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> PMC members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> submit the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out
> to
> Please ensure that a report for XXX is submitted to the board for the
> next meeting.
> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
> time it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> does not mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and
> interests change, and rotation is good as it allows more people to
> become familiar with that role. Again, if assistance is required with
> this process, please feel free to reach out to
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> reduces to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> projects reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in the
> attic [1].  If XXX has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> project to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is
> mostly dormant but still has at least three active PMC members it can
> stay in that state for as long as needed. If your project is in such a
> state, please mention that in your report and verify the PMC's state at
> regular intervals.
> Finally, if you have any questions please feel free to reach out to
> ----
> On 2017-09-20 10:31, Shane Curcuru <> wrote: > (Note
> mixed private/public lists)
>> The ASF requires that any Apache project have at least three somewhat
>> active PMC members - such that they can do things like review patches,
>> and in particular vote to release a software update in case of security
>> issues.  To verify that Apache projects are still operating by ASF
>> policies, the board requires that each PMC provides a report of activity
>> and project health each quarter.
>> It's clear there's still some contributors wanting to work on Axis, but
>> lately, it's equally clear from watching the lack of acceptable reports
>> to the board that the PMC as a whole is not working out.
>> I strongly urge all PMC members still listening here to work out among
>> yourselves a plan to 1) choose a new project chair and recommend them to
>> the board ASAP and 2) engage with the contributors still here to review
>> their work and keep the project moving forward.
>> If the PMC (and/or committers on the project) can't show some obviously
>> organized energy at project management, then perhaps it's time for the
>> project as a whole to consider moving to the Attic soon.
> --
> - Shane

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