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From Allan Swanepoel <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] How to get out of this situation?
Date Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:33:56 GMT
As a massive outsider to this project, I joined the ML in the hope to
learn more about the bloodhound project, only to be met with the
possible archiving of it.

Please don't get the wrong impression, I enjoy python and open source
as much as i enjoy contributing to OSS.

I would like to raise a few troublesome concerns I would have with
this project (again, this is one person):
1) Trac - the foundation of BH is still on Py2 - with basically 2 yrs
until py2 is declared EOL (2020) .
2) Trac Version - Trac is on version 1.2(stable), afaik, BH has only
been tested on Trac 0.11 - 0.13

So, i guess my day 1 question would be how would you get Bloodhound to
py3 in ~2yrs, especially if the platform its based on isnt there yet?

Would a fork (As Olemis suggested) solve that? I doubt it.

And, again, nothing against ASF here, but I'm sure migrating the
source to GH could attract more involvement from more developers.

That said, doesn't point anywhere
right now, so all the wiki links are dead anyhow.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Olemis Lang <> wrote:
> On 10/23/17, Jason Morgan <> wrote:
>> I would argue there is a more fundamental problem with this project.
> [...]
>> It looks like an abandoned project before you start.  It has done for quite
>> a few years.
>> This is why there is little traction from both potential developers and
>> users.
> +1
>> I would propose a fork.  Move it away from Apache. Create a new home page
>> and new working dist with decent user documentation. Abandon all the WIP
>> cruft. Start over.
> (Except for a few minor and irrelevant aspects) I do not think the
> Apache Way is blocking us from moving forward . It's the inner details
> of the current architecture (Gary, the other founders of the project
> and the newer contributors might have a relatively good idea of what I
> am talking about) that did not allow us to move forward beyond a
> certain point . The most evident proof of this is that the public
> issue tracker at b.a.o is not running yet the latest multi-product
> architecture .
> I do believe in moving forward with the project following the Apache
> Way , even if I keep developing my own private fork for other reasons
> . I already sketched a roadmap in my previous message . The first step
> to get out of this situation , IMO , should be to start working on a
> new BEP for a new architecture built on top of BEP-0003 but , at the
> same time , fixing the problems blocking us from achieving stable
> deployments.
> --
> Regards,
> Olemis - @olemislc
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