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From Michel Guymon <>
Subject Re: ApacheCon / Thoughtworks TechRadar
Date Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:13:40 GMT


I figure I would pile onto the Buildr vs Maven discussion, this will be 
a little non sequitur.

What I have been doing is using Maven for project info, mostly defining 
dependencies and where to deploy to. This is what Maven is actually good 
at, project markup. The perk is all the existing tools can continue to 
work with the Project's POM. Everything else I do is handled by Buildr. 
Using LockJar[1] to import the deps and deployment info from the POM, I 
am able to build and deploy my artifacts from Buildr.

I find this is the sweet spot, being able to live in a Maven world but 
still able to build my artifacts the way I need to with Buildr. God help 
me if I ever have to use and XML build tool again. . .



On 11/09/2012 10:04 PM, Peter Donald wrote:
> Huya,
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen <> wrote:
>> First, I got a Buildr talk accepted at ApacheCon EU in Sinsheim, Germany,
>> which I held just yesterday.
> congrats!
>> I got a lot of positive feedback, people seem
>> to like the buildr idea although it also seems that Maven improved since
>> the inception of Buildr and some things are less worse. The most visible
>> argument against buildr was, however, that people are used to use Maven and
>> that, if they want to make their project accessible for a broad audience,
>> they think they'd need to stick to Maven.
> That does seem to be a common view.
>> I guess Gradle tries to address
>> this issue by providing a "gradle-wrapper", which is a small jar file along
>> a shell script that you can include into your project and that will
>> bootstrap a gradle installation automatically. I also figured, that still
>> many Java developers don't have rubies at hand and don't know how to easily
>> install a gem.
> And one stage, Antoine was working on the "all-in-one" distribution
> that essentially bundled a version of jruby with buildr and all it's
> dependencies in one easy installer. I wonder if we could work on this
> to ease adoption of buildr for the casual user.
> Where I work we use Chef ( extensively
> and they release their tool in "omnibus" editions that are essentially
> a complete version of ruby for n-different platforms. They preinstall
> the chef gems in the ruby they distribute but they make sure that the
> only things that are added to the path are the che executables. I
> wonder if this would be a good thing for us to consider?
>> Second, I stumbled upon ThoughtWorks TechRadar [2]. In particular, I liked
>> the first paragraph of the Tools section ;)
> It is kinda neat. Possibly the best thing we can do is to increase
> awareness ... I think your approach to giving a talk is a good idea.

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