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From Daniel Spiewak <>
Subject Re: buildr usability
Date Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:41:38 GMT
This is a really great idea!  I'm actually surprised that none of us  
thought of this earlier.  JRuby is very easy to distribute in a self- 
contained fashion, so this sort of packaging is not only possible but  
very natural.  The only disadvantage would be the performance hit  
carried by JRuby and really the JVM's slow startup.  I think this is  
probably palletable though, especially given the convenience of this  


On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:47 AM, "Ittay Dror" <> wrote:

> Hi,
> Regarding the next buildr version, I think the biggest issue should be
> being able to quickly start using buildr.
> My experience is that BuildR is great for me as a build developer. It
> allows me to do in several lines of code things that would take a lot
> more in Ant and that I probably wouldn't even try with Maven.
> However, when it comes to other developers that just want to compile  
> the
> code, the procedure to start working with BuildR is just an obstacle
> they need to go through. And given that it is not as standard as Maven
> or Ant, it is something new to install.
> Right now, I have 3 people trying to use BuildR without success. The
> first uses linux and so installed the ruby package but had  
> segmentation
> faults with java 1.6 (which we must use), so he needed to compile ruby
> from source (not a smooth experience for a java developer coming from
> windows). After compiling and installing, trying to upload, he got an
> error about not being able to require openssl. Now, 'require' is not a
> known term to a java developer... the reason for the error was that at
> the time of compilation he didn't have libssl-dev installed. So he
> needed to install it, re-generate the Makefile for ext/openssl and  
> then
> install it. This was a long, un-Java process to go through...
> Two other users had issues because they couldn't get BuildR to install
> on Mac. RJB could not find the ruby headers. We couldn't resolve this
> issue, so they needed to resort to using another machine (!)
> Of course there's the choice of using JRuby. However, It will still
> require multiple steps (installing jruby then buildr) and I'm sure it
> will have its own issues.
> What it boils down to is bad first impression with BuildR.
> I want to suggest that BuildR will be provided as a self-contained
> package. It could be jruby with all gems that can be extracted some
> placed and used, but optimally, it will also be packages per OS (can  
> be
> .tar.gz of binaries), which will help performance when running the
> builds. An additional feature is proper inspection of the environment
> before running (something like 'require 'openssl' rescue puts "please
> make sure you have openssl installed, on linux install libssl and on
> mac...").
> Regards,
> Ittay
> P.s., I can try to accomplish this if the idea sounds good.

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