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From Nicolas Vazquez <Nicolas.Vazq...@shapeblue.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Date Sun, 25 Aug 2019 16:48:03 GMT
Hi all,

My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main communication channel.
However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and promote the current Slack channel as it is
active and with a considerable amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels).
Personally, I have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users joining
the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have this channel working good
without "official" promotion, then why not use it as the official 'chat' channel?


Regards,

Nicolas Vazquez

________________________________
From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrascher@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM
To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.

Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic <andrija.panic@gmail.com>
escreveu:

> I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on
> main website and any future events. Makes sense?
>
> We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT
> move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all
> users.
>
> Does this sounds good to majority here?
>
> If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public
> pages/website/future events marketing.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the
> > mailing lists.    That is where most people can be found and where
> > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with
> > having one in the back pocket.
> > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community
> as
> > possible.
> >
> > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not
> > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far
> > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrascher@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Cc: Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the
> > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when
> > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private
> chat.
> > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no
> > problem with keeping them around.
> >
> > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the
> > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to
> > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> >
> > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we
> keep
> > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack,
> but
> > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gabriel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must
> > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> > > dev+user+etc.
> > >
> > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good
> > tools.
> > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on
> > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf
> > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their
> > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group.
> > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too
> > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf
> > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway
> between
> > the two.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rohit Yadav
> > >
> > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
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> > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Cc: Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro>
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > >
> > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t
> > > like mailing list or  neither. I think the first one is closed and
> > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final
> > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No.
> > >
> > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY
> > > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology,
> > > maybe open source.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
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> > > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic <
> andrija.panic@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > >
> > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while
> > > > using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me.
> > > >
> > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people
> > > > prefer
> > > vi
> > > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get
> > > > the
> > > job
> > > > done)
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed
> solutions.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and
> > > >> even more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two
> > > >> in my heart.
> > > >>
> > > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC,
> > > >> but because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same
> > > >> for Slack.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the
> > > >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide
> > > >> helpful information to everyone.
> > > >>
> > > >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of
> > > >> "progress", but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it.
> > > >>
> > > >> My 2p
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote:
> > > >>> Hi guys,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel
(
> > > >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since
> > > >>> there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at
> > > >>> https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion
of
> > > >>> the idea to "officially"  move (i.e.
> > > >>> marketing
> > > >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack
> > > >>> channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon
> > > >>> (close for good) all others chat channels.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i.e. on this year conference page
> > > >>> (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC
> > > >>> channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so
I
> > > >>> would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can
be
> > > >>> aware of "alive" chat channel
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Suggestions, opinions ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Andrija Panić
> > > >>
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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