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From Simon Weller <swel...@ena.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Date Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:22:41 GMT
Sven,

I just sent you an invite.

-Si

________________________________
From: Sven Vogel <sven.vogel@qform.de>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 10:19 AM
To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

that means,



this is the official URL?

https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/



how can i added to this channel?


On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote:


Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking.

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main
> communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC
and
> promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a
considerable
> amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels).
Personally, I
> have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new
users
> joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already
have
> this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not
use it
> as the official 'chat' channel?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nicolas Vazquez
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM
> To: users
> Cc: dev
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
>
> I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.
>
> Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic  >
> escreveu:
>
> > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being
mentioned on
> > main website and any future events. Makes sense?
> >
> > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my
opinion) NOT
> > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move
all
> > users.
> >
> > Does this sounds good to majority here?
> >
> > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any
public
> > pages/website/future events marketing.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than
the
> > > mailing lists.    That is where most people can be found and
where
> > > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm
cool
> with
> > > having one in the back pocket.
> > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the
community
> > as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on
it is
> not
> > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is
definitely is
> far
> > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher
> > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > > To: dev
> > > Cc: Nux!
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay
as the
> > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used
Slack when
> > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on
private
> > chat.
> > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community
I see
> no
> > > problem with keeping them around.
> > >
> > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is
regarding the
> > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing
to
> > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> > >
> > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea?
Should we
> > keep
> > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as
Slack,
> > but
> > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Gabriel.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> > rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and
it
> must
> > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the
project
> > > > dev+user+etc.
> > > >
> > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are
good
> > > tools.
> > > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active
user on
> > > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join
> the-asf
> > > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having
their
> > > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf
group.
> > > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's
too
> > > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to
the-asf
> > > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an
IRC-gateway
> > between
> > > the two.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rohit Yadav
> > > >
> > > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > > >
> > > > https://www.shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Sven Vogel
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > Cc: Nux!
> > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > > >
> > > > Hey Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but
I don’t
> > > > like mailing list or  neither. I think the first one is
closed and
> > > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom
final
> > > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No.
> > > >
> > > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it.
leave ONLY
> > > > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive
technology,
> > > > maybe open source.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic <
> > andrija.panic@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web
pages, while
> > > > > using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense
to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some
people
> > > > > prefer
> > > > vi
> > > > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano
to get
> > > > > the
> > > > job
> > > > > done)
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux!  wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed
> > solutions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at
large and
> > > > >> even more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile
the two
> > > > >> in my heart.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because
it's IRC,
> > > > >> but because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be
the
> same
> > > > >> for Slack.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active
and the
> > > > >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further
provide
> > > > >> helpful information to everyone.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of
> > > > >> "progress", but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My 2p
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---
> > > > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote:
> > > > >>> Hi guys,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack
channel (
> > > > >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND
since
> > > > >>> there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at
> > > > >>> https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a
discussion of
> > > > >>> the idea to "officially"  move (i.e.
> > > > >>> marketing
> > > > >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new
CloudStack
> > > > >>> channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and
abandon
> > > > >>> (close for good) all others chat channels.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> i.e. on this year conference page
> > > > >>> (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce
the IRC
> > > > >>> channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead)
-
so I
> > > > >>> would propose to move forward and update this, so the
users can
> be
> > > > >>> aware of "alive" chat channel
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Suggestions, opinions ?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Andrija Panić
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> Nicolas.Vazquez@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>

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