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From Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrasc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Date Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:21:32 GMT
I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.

Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic <andrija.panic@gmail.com>
escreveu:

> I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on
> main website and any future events. Makes sense?
>
> We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT
> move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all
> users.
>
> Does this sounds good to majority here?
>
> If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public
> pages/website/future events marketing.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the
> > mailing lists.    That is where most people can be found and where
> > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with
> > having one in the back pocket.
> > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community
> as
> > possible.
> >
> > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not
> > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far
> > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrascher@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Cc: Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the
> > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when
> > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private
> chat.
> > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no
> > problem with keeping them around.
> >
> > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the
> > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to
> > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> >
> > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we
> keep
> > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack,
> but
> > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gabriel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must
> > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> > > dev+user+etc.
> > >
> > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good
> > tools.
> > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on
> > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf
> > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their
> > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group.
> > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too
> > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf
> > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway
> between
> > the two.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rohit Yadav
> > >
> > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > >
> > > https://www.shapeblue.com
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Sven Vogel <S.Vogel@ewerk.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Cc: Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro>
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > >
> > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t
> > > like mailing list or  neither. I think the first one is closed and
> > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final
> > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No.
> > >
> > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY
> > > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology,
> > > maybe open source.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
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> > > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic <
> andrija.panic@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > >
> > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while
> > > > using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me.
> > > >
> > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people
> > > > prefer
> > > vi
> > > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get
> > > > the
> > > job
> > > > done)
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed
> solutions.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and
> > > >> even more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two
> > > >> in my heart.
> > > >>
> > > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC,
> > > >> but because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same
> > > >> for Slack.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the
> > > >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide
> > > >> helpful information to everyone.
> > > >>
> > > >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of
> > > >> "progress", but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it.
> > > >>
> > > >> My 2p
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote:
> > > >>> Hi guys,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel
(
> > > >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since
> > > >>> there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at
> > > >>> https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion
of
> > > >>> the idea to "officially"  move (i.e.
> > > >>> marketing
> > > >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack
> > > >>> channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon
> > > >>> (close for good) all others chat channels.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i.e. on this year conference page
> > > >>> (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC
> > > >>> channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so
I
> > > >>> would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can
be
> > > >>> aware of "alive" chat channel
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Suggestions, opinions ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Andrija Panić
> > > >>
> > >
> > > rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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