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From Diethelm Guallar, Gonzalo <>
Subject Avalon and Turbine
Date Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:38:40 GMT
An innocent question: what is the difference between Avalon
and Turbine? For that matter, what is the difference between
both of them and Struts? Is any of these projects dead, or
has any of them been subsumed by any other?

> > This is all very exciting. Sorry to ask, but I am not 
> familiar with Avalon:
> > 1) Is it a J2EE compliant App Server?
> No.  In order to qualify for that, it would require more 
> services.  The current
> roadmap is being discussed on the mail list.  It provides 
> many services that
> any server requires, so that you don't have to waste time on 
> the more mundane
> aspects.  The roadmap proposed was developed with J2EE 
> compliance in mind.
> It will only implement the things that make sense for the 
> core system, and
> allow for someone to easily build a J2EE compliant app server 
> on top of it.
> > 2) Are the services you describe on top of J2EE as a "value 
> added" thing?
> They are part of the Core Avalon system (or soon will be).  
> The thread manager
> and socket manager may not be explicitly defined by J2EE, but 
> most servers
> require those facilities.
> > 3) Is it Open Source or is a product from a company in particular?
> Yes.  Avalon is Apache's Java Server Framework.  It provides 
> the foundation
> for Apache JAMES, Slide, Cocoon, and more.
> The URL for the project is
> Keep in mind that the CVS archive is much more up to date 
> than site is.


Gonzalo A. Diethelm
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