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From "Anecss" <ane...@myway.com>
Subject Re: cocoon & struts together
Date Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:59:57 GMT

Hi there, 

We have started development for a project, which uses both Struts and Cocoon. Our developers
are facing lot of technical issues while using this combo -- taking more time to resolve --
more issues - less productivity. We had success in earlier projects which used these products
separately. 

We are using Cocoon and Struts in the same web-app. Issues start right.. when JSPs interact
with Cocoon. 

If you have experience, please let me know your suggestions/comments/lessons learnt/advice
when you use both these products together. 

Thanks. 

--- On Tue 02/04, Robert Simmons < derisor@arcor.de > wrote:
From: Robert Simmons [mailto: derisor@arcor.de]
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:55:01 +0100
Subject: Re: cocoon & struts together

It was a painful road and I'm still nursing the bruises. But ya, I see its
value.

-- Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Gallardo" <agallardo@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>
To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: cocoon & struts together


> Thanks for the answer. Good speach. I saw you now as a Cocoon fan! :-)
> You finally saw the light at the end of the pipeline. ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Antonio Gallardo.
>
>
>
> Robert Simmons dijo:
> > Actually I'm an EJB specialist and I don't generally work on projects
> > conducive to web interfaces. The complexity level of the stuff I do is
> > too high. (Pharmaceutical industry and genetic research). My customers
> > generally require a higher range of functionality than a web interface
> > can provide.
> >
> > That being said, I do, however, do some web work which is why I took up
> > the idea of cocoon. I use the same technique that I use for GUI
> > programming. Basically a command centric architecture. I hate to say
> > "struts is for amateurs" but it kind of is. It has low complexity and
> > thus low
> > functionality. It also has high cost in terms of content delivery and
> > maintenance costs. I personally chose to avoid all that and let Java
> > objects do all the work and let the framework just concentrate on
> > presentation. Enter cocoon.
> >
> > My programs consist of allot of specially designed generators that
> > generate pure data. Then I use XSLT to translate that into the
> > appropriate media. I also use XSLT to output the forms though I am
> > experimenting with reflexive techniques that I have used in GUI
> > applications to make generation of forms be based on reflexive command
> > analysis.
> >
> > Frameworks like struts mix functionality with presentation, which IMHO
> > is a very bad thing. Its a high maintenance cost solution with a low
> > development cost. That is the wrong way around. To be professional you
> > want high development cost and low maintenance cost. This causes your
> > feature turn around, post release, to be much faster. Since you are able
> > to react quickly to the demands of your users, your company or customers
> > win. The guy that slapped it together with low development costs may
> > make some sales coming out the door, but will bleed customers as they
> > seek more stable solutions with faster turn-around time for new features
> > and fault correction.
> >
> > I guess that is a long way of saying, "put all your work into the back
> > end." Cocoon is perfect for this because you can develop custom
> > generators to deliver data and let a web designer with a couple weeks of
> > training worry about the XSLT translation. In the meantime your valuable
> > programmer resources are implementing new features and stabilizing the
> > product.
> >
> > Well that's my opinion on the matter.
> >
> > -- Robert
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Antonio Gallardo" <agallardo@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>
> > To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: cocoon & struts together
> >
> >
> >> Robert Simmons dijo:
> >> > I dont think that using struts would be useful within an efficient
> >> cocoon site. Cocoon takes another approach to web development that
> >> is, in my opinion, superior to the jsp/struts approach.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the comment. I was trying to start learning about this
> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> As a bean specialist (a book writer) what tools you recommend to
> >> manage all the beans stuff (creation, changes, etc.)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the comments.
> >>
> >> Antonio Gallardo
> >>
> >>
> >>
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