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From Lars Huttar <>
Subject Re: How/where to create a sitemap in a generated Cocoon 3 web app?
Date Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:20:07 GMT

The development work done on Cocoon is very much appreciated.

Last summer, I did a reevaluation of Cocoon for a company project, after 
our using it for several years. I came close to switching to another 
framework, mainly because of the slow pace of development and low 
activity on the mailing lists over the last few years.
Three things changed my mind: 1) The release of an alpha and a beta of 
C3 in fairly quick succession last July or so. 2) I couldn't find any 
other framework that did the things we needed Cocoon for, nearly as well 
as Cocoon! There were a couple of promising ones, but they had not 
matured to full release. And 3) our org was able to hire one of the 
Cocoon committers to port a database component that we needed from C2 to 
C3. He did it promptly and for a very reasonable fee. It would have 
taken us 10x as long to do it ourselves.

So, Mark, while I identify with your disappointment at having invested 
in Cocoon and then feeling abandoned, I would say you do have clear 
options: if it's important to your work, it may be well worth hiring one 
of the committers to get the bugs fixed (or features implemented) that 
are most urgent for you. It would also give a shot of vitality into the 
arm of the Cocoon dev / user community.


On 3/2/2012 1:50 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> apologize if Cocoon doesn't satisfy your expectations, but please take
> in consideration that actually there is not even a single entity
> sponsoring Cocoon development - I mean, no one of us is dedicated 100%
> of paid time to Cocoon - so everybody involved here is juts a
> volunteer that participates in his spare time.
> I hope you'll understand that behind mail addresses there are human
> beings with feelings and families, so we cannot dedicate the our free
> time only on OSS projects - even if we would like to do it :P
> Many thanks in advance for understanding and stay tuned!
> Best,
> -Simo
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Mark H. Wood<>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:08:41AM +0100, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2012 07:47, Jos Snellings wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> And true, the documentation on the site does not make it easy enough
>>>> to step up the threshold and upgrade.
>>>> [@group: shouldn't we do something about that. Cocoon is losing its
>>>> user base, it will end up getting adopted only by a few old people out
>>>> there. It is gaining momentum on the planet Zork but that's not going
>>>> to help us on Earth, is it?]
>>> I agree: should we move to dev ML and discuss this "getting started /
>>> documentation" topic?
>>>> I hope this helps you on the way. It would make me very happy to know
>>>> that I am not one of the sole developers
>>>> on this planet who chose cocoon 3 as a development platform, for the
>>>> few times in your life that you are in the
>>>> position to make this choice for your customer! I chose for cocoon 3
>>>> because I liked the new architecture.
>> Maybe if it were RELEASED....
>>  From the homepage:
>>   Apache Cocoon 3
>>     Corona was accepted by the Cocoon PMC to become Apache Cocoon
>>     3. The Cocoon 3 website has more details. A first ALPHA release
>>     will follow soon. [more]
>>     submitted by Reinhard P�tz, 8/14/08 7:23:55 AM
>> [That is the LATEST entry in the News section.]
>>   Download the latest version:  Apache Cocoon Version 2.2.0
>> Some documentation that tells us a little more than "TBD" would also
>> help promote Cocoon.
>> I have what I think is still the latest book on Cocoon.  It's from
>> 2003.  IIRC 2.1 entered beta while the book was being completed.  It
>> has a whole chapter about Avalon, which you can hardly even find
>> anymore.  It's still a godsend if you want to find out how Cocoon was
>> meant to be used.
>> For everyone outside the project, 2.2 hasn't quite finished happening
>> yet and 3.0 is just a wild rumor.  People who built their products
>> around Cocoon feel abandoned.  Nothing is happening.  Bug reports seem
>> to be immortal -- even the ones with fixes attached.
>> Gee, why would Cocoon be losing its user base?
>> --
>> Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer   mwood@IUPUI.Edu
>> Asking whether markets are efficient is like asking whether people are smart.

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