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From "Scott Sanders" <ssand...@nextance.com>
Subject RE: [Logging] default log level
Date Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:18:52 GMT
We would hope not :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper@tumbleweed.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [Logging] default log level
> 
> 
> Are you sure they'll think about turning it off before they 
> run out of disk space? ;-)
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Sanders" <ssanders@nextance.com>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [Logging] default log level
> 
> 
> Agree, and that has been done now.  But let's use Digester as 
> an example. The issue that I have is that by default when I 
> plug Digester into my project, I think that I would just want 
> to trust that it works and move on (ie ERROR by default), but 
> some take the other approach of logging a lot and then 
> forcing the developer to set it explictly to a lesser level.
> 
> I can see either.  If I am a newbie stuffing Digester into 
> something, then maybe INFO is the way to go, by making them 
> understand how to turn it off, they learn that it actually 
> has this functionality, whereas if it was at ERROR by 
> default, they might even start stuffing System.out.println()s 
> everywhere to get it to work.
> 
> If I am an experienced Digester user, I just want to plug it. 
>  But on the other hand, I am probably using Log4J/LogKit and 
> have the default configured there (ERROR for me).
> 
> OK, I convinced myself, with Paolo's help.  INFO shows that 
> the component is working, forcing the user to think about how 
> to turn it off.
> 
> INFO it is ;-)  (Man, changing the mind is too easy sometimes) Scott
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:34 AM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Subject: RE: [Logging] default log level
> >
> >
> > Or maybe some "INFO" log calls in Digester should become "DEBUG" 
> > calls.
> >
> > This is the kind of change I usually end up making in my 
> code when I 
> > see those symptoms.
> >
> > INFO should show that important things are really running and 
> > important options, not that ALL things are running and all options!
> > =;o)
> >
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Paulo Gaspar
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Sanders [mailto:ssanders@nextance.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:27 PM
> > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: [Logging] default log level
> > >
> > >
> > > After using Digester last night at the INFO level, I 
> would actually 
> > > say that INFO is indeed to high a level as a default.  I 
> would say 
> > > either WARN or ERROR.
> > >
> > > Scott
> >
> >
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