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From Gary Gregory <>
Subject RE: Commons popularity
Date Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:15:16 GMT
I think it is important to point out that [commons] is not quite as unified
as one might expect. It certainly took some education on my part and some
getting used to.

There are dependency issues for example, or rather "non-dependency" issues
where components like [lang], [collections], and [codec] could be better
factored to reduce code duplication. It is somewhat ironic that [lang]
provides such basic pieces but that other projects do not depend on it. This
is somewhat against the "eat your own dog food" philosophy.

It certainly makes writing a book about all of this challenging!

But, as the community has decided, for now, independence is better than
co-dependence. This is not true of all components of course, some do overlay
on others.

The main point in all of this is that the projects are very organic and
driven by the needs of each community. Most of this work is done on a
volunteer basis after all and any work done to improve any components is
always welcome.

Perhaps, then, there is a need for a commons project whose sole goal is to
provide architectural guidance. There are many +s and -s to such a thing. I
suspect that most folks would not take well to taking direction from some
ivory tower project. But, hey, it's a thought.


-----Original Message-----
From: Vikram Goyal [] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 21:37
To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
Subject: Re: Commons popularity

Although I have already written the proposed TOC for this book, I was
wondering if there is anything specific that everyone here would like to see
in a book on Commons?

I had written an article at
( that gave a
review of most of the components in the repository. I thought that the book
would be a natural extension as it would be more detailed and give a
comprehensive discussion on these components.

If anyone has any ideas on what such a book should cover or something that
they would like to see in it, please let me know.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commons popularity

> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Vikram Goyal wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:03:59 +1000
> > From: Vikram Goyal <>
> > Reply-To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > To:,
> > Subject: Commons popularity
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I need to compile together the popularity of Jakarta Commons in terms of
> > daily downloads, activity on the mailing lists and developer interest
> > for a forthcoming book. I understand that it would be hard to give
> > figures for overall Commons because of so many sub projects within it.
> >
> > Does anyone have any information or figures that they could point me to
> > that would help in this research?
> >
> For mailing list activity, you should be able to count through the various
> archives sites -- most of them have summary pages.
> As of the moment, subscriber counts for Commons related mailing lists are:
>  443   commons-dev
>  182   commons-httpclient-dev
>  558   commons-user
> For comparison, the largest user mailing lists at Jakarta are struts-user
> (2759) and tomcat-user (2363)
> For download counts, Vadim Gritsenko posts some unofficial (but seem to be
> accurate) web site statistics at:
> Unfortunately, the commons packages are not separately accounted for --
> you might want to email Vadim to see if he can easily separate that out
> from the data he's analyzing.
> > Regards,
> > Vikram Goyal
> Craig McClanahan
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