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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: [commons-build] Thoughts on Navigation (client side includes).
Date Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:05:41 GMT
IIRC the main reason used to be lack of appropriate hardware. the ASF 
isn't rich and the website has to hosted on machines that the ASF 
either owns or has on long term loan. running apache on freeBSD allowed 
the ASF infrastructure guru's to host the apache website on a machine 
that (these days) could probably be bought for much less than $100 on 
ebay. (it really amazed me when i found out exactly how low spec 
daedalus was but then the ASF has some of the world's best apache httpd 
experts ;)

i believe that there's now a good chance that the ASF might be able to 
obtain more hardware on long term loan from sponsors that would allow a 
dedicated tomcat hosting machine to be installed. of course, 
experienced tomcat system admins would need to step up (AIUI including 
one in the bay area of california) before the ASF would sanction such a 
machine. these admins would also need to very familiar with securing 

for more information (and better, more authourative answers), i'd 
suggest subscribing to infrastructure.

- robert

On 20 Feb 2004, at 15:26, Mark R. Diggory wrote:

> Yes, I always wondered why Jakarta wasn't actually run on its flagship 
> product? I suspect it has to do with server capability being too low 
> and load being too high.
> -Mark
> Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>> Dumb question, why Jakarta doesn't use Tomcat & JSPs ? That would 
>> open some interesting solutions for content management.
>> Emmanuel
>> David Graham wrote:
>>> -1 on using javascript for major site functionality such as 
>>> navigation. Many users browse with js turned off and it's a major 
>>> pain getting it to
>>> work across all browsers.  IMO, Apache websites should be accessible 
>>> to
>>> all visitors.
>>> David
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