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From "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <>
Subject Licensing (was: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations)
Date Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:13:30 GMT
"Eric Pugh" <> writes:

>This is really driving me crazy..  I have tracked threads on general and
>jakarta-pmc mailing lists about this..  And everytime it comes down to "I am
>not a lawyer" and a bunch of FUD.  We really need someone from the top of
>Apache to provide direction.  I work a lot with hibernate code and can think
>of at least 4 projects that have hibernate code in them (at least as far as
>import statements).

There _is_ a clear statement from the board. And even though we don't
really like it technology-wise, it is sound from a licensing point of

#1 "No LGPL dependencies in code delivered from *"

#2 "import <xxx>" where <xxx> is a LGPLed package is already a dependency.

I think that Geir made this clear on general@.

So every project that does have e.g. Hibernate dependencies in there
must move off-Apache. This holds true for some maven-plugins and it
would also hold true for a possible Hibernate-related
commons-configuration module.

This is not a bad thing IMHO. Apache is mainly about community and the
drive to keep the "sources clean".

Having some modules or code being outside (e.g. on
SourceForge) shouldn't be a big problem. We add a "links to related
stuff" to the site and everything is fine.


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