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From Ceki Gülcü <>
Subject Re: [OT][logging] politics [WAS Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?]
Date Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:53:49 GMT
At 11:56 PM 12/21/2004, robert burrell donkin wrote:

>FWIW AFAIK the committers who feel victimized are outside jakarta. IMHO 
>committers who are vocally critical of the ASF (as an organization) are 
>something about which the membership should be concerned. some of them 
>simply have an obvious axe to grind but for others, a few humble and kind 
>words were all would have been required. certainly, threats by members to 
>communities (especially without adequate ASF representation) at a time 
>such as this seems to play a little too much into their hands. i hope and 
>trust that this wasn't the intent of your previous post.

JCL shows indications of mission creep. I believe this to be a factual
observation independent of ASF representation.

>(conversely, if you do think that JCL is out of scope for the commons or 
>is at danger of becoming so - and that it's a big enough issue to consider 
>things such as appealing to the members, then please tell me and i'd be 
>glad to nominate you - and any other logging services pmc members who are 
>interested - as committers for the commons and give you a free hand to 
>sort out the problem as you best see fit. at least that way, myself and 
>the rest of the JCL community will have a voice and some sort of vote. 
>that would seem to me to be much more in the old apache spirit, at least 
>as far as i can remember it...)

Thank you for this offer. We need to consider it carefully and check
whether we can participate in a meaningful manner. I am forwarding it
to the LS PMC.

>- robert

Ceki Gülcü

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