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From Stephen Colebourne <>
Subject Re: [all] Splitting the mailing list
Date Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:18:59 GMT
This proposal has merit, in that it allows the main dev list room to 
breathe for discussion, which should be its primary purpose. It also has 
a very clear benefit in mail archive - in fact its really pretty 
essential for that.

Some of the negative respones have focussed around what the needs of 
committers are, but I'd argue that we should be focussing on the needs 
of the 'users' - ie those who want to follow commons discussions, maybe 
chip in occasionaly, but are not interested in contributing/commiting. 
An excess of what can feel like spam will put some of these people off.

The proposal suggests two new lists, but I'd argue thats unecessary. One 
for svn, jira, wiki and gump is all thats needed. Basically everythng 
that is non-discussion and *might* be regarded as 'spam'.

So, +1 to one new list, commons-auto? commons-build?, commons-gen?

Or perhaps this should be a jakarta-wide list if we are one-jakarta ;-)


Henri Yandell wrote:
> A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different
> mailing lists and it seems to be going well.
> So I'd like to suggest:
>  - reply-to to commons-dev
>     - reply-to to commons-dev
> I think the wiki notifications should stay on the dev list as they're
> relatively low in number and they don't require any kind of restricted
> authentication to get involved with. Any contributor can hop in and
> fix a spelling mistake.
> The obvious worry is over new committers not subscribing to those
> lists. Firstly we can obviously make a point of mentioning that to new
> committers - but mostly I think the number of Re: svn commit and Re:
> [JIRA] emails that will appear will make them wonder what they're
> missing.
> Another advantage of the above just happened on the Tomcat list. A
> mistake by a committer caused 2700 svn commits to be sent out (to
> nearly 1000 subscribers). The ASF mail server took a good many hours
> to recover - most of the day I think. So both those kind of errors,
> and the large JIRA reorgs we've been doing would be hitting less
> people.
> One question:
> Do we automatically subscribe everyone on dev@ and let them
> unsubscribe. Or start the lists empty.
> Hen
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