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From "John Spackman" <>
Subject Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development
Date Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:20:03 GMT

We're still actively using Jelly and while the usefulness of some of the 
extension modules may be debatable (and definitely without wishing to enter 
into a debate of whether it is appropriate to have "executable" data), as a 
core tool Jelly has allowed us to rapidly produce pluggable languages for 
defining drawings, web services, schedules, JDBC configuration, and more 
where the tag implementation configures POJOs.

Coincidentally, we've recently reached the point where we must make changes 
to the code base (bug fixes and new features) and so a couple of weeks ago I 
emailed James asking if he was still maintaining the project and if so what 
is plans were and whether I'd be able to contribute.  Perhaps not 
surprisingly I didn't receive a reply, and now it seems I might have broken 
protocol by asking him direct instead of asking here.  My apologies if that 
was inappropriate.

We have a number of changes to make to Jelly, and I am prepared to put 
myself and my company forward as a maintainer.  If that's acceptable to you 
all, the first task would be to briefly update the website and make a 
maintenance release (there are some essential bug fixes in SVN that are not 
in the official release), followed by various other fixes and additions in a 
beta release.  Admittedly, my focus would be the core of Jelly and the core 
tags - I do not use the additional tag libraries and would find it difficult 
to provide a significant amount of regression testing and support for them 
but I'll keep them going where possible and try to help out any users with 

Is this something you would be interested in?  If the conclusion by the list 
is that Jelly should still be retired then as an alternative would it be 
possible for me to fork the Jelly project out of commons and into (for 
example) SourceForge?

In case it makes a difference, I am not currently an Apache committer.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henri Yandell" <>
To: "Commons Developers List" <>; <>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM, ralph.goers
> <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Henri Yandell <> 
>> wrote:
>>> I'm thinking we should:
>>> a) remove from trunks-proper
>>> b) Update the homepage to say "Not Actively Maintained"
>>> c) Update the Commons homepage to put this into a release subcategory
>>> of "Not Actively Maintained"
>>> d) Put said N.A.M. note on the JIRA page.
>>> Thoughts?
>> If it is removed from trunks-proper where does it go?
> trunks-proper is a dir of svn:externals, so it's not lost just not in
> our active development set.
> Hen
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