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From James Carman <>
Subject Re: Future of Transaction subproject
Date Mon, 09 Sep 2013 23:46:48 GMT

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Bernd Eckenfels <> wrote:
> Am 09.09.2013, 23:01 Uhr, schrieb TylsBurt <>:
>> I am incredulous that nobody wants to know *why* the main target of the
>> project (file atomic transactions) cannot be achieved..
> Some file operations on some file systems/OS can be atomic (or even
> transactional) - but a lot of them are not accesible from the java class
> library (for example you cannot open a file with O_EXCL).
> Real (to other components visible) transactions require special file systems
> (for example TxF NTFS on Windows) which have their own APIs. Using pure java
> the most transacitional semantics could be implemented with networked
> filesystems (speaking NFS, iSCSI or DRDB protocols come to mind).
> But on local filesystems, even for native code having a portable crash safe
> io library is next to impossible (especially if you want to also address
> common OS and Disk problems liek write barriers, reordering and lying
> devices).
> You can of course simulate some multi operation transactional properties
> (especially if all clients cooperate with the same schema). This is what
> XADisk and other (locking) schemes expect. This might be enough for some
> needs, but it is not what others expect (and most likely does not survive
> all failure modes).
> If you only need a transactional storage in a cooperative environment, it
> would be best to use one of the existing RDB MS.
> BTW: the discussion thread seems to be 3 years old. I was actually not aware
> of the state of commons transaction.file. The project homepage list it as
> "Dormant", the SVN links exist but dont work. Is there maybe an option to
> have the site to link to "archive" Download and SVN sites (removing binaries
> from the regular dl section)?
> Gruss
> Bernd
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