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From Ate Douma <>
Subject Re: [SCXML] knock knock?
Date Mon, 07 Oct 2013 19:58:09 GMT
Hi Benedikt,

On 10/07/2013 07:44 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote:
> Hello Ate,
> we are going through some discussions at the moment about how we want to
> organize development at commons in the future [1].

I'm aware of it as I've been subscribed to this list for several months.
So far only lurking but now ready to step up :)

> We are always looking for people that want to contribute so I see no reason
> why you shouldn't dig right into the code.
Great, and I like to start doing so.

But as an 'outsider' still, I do hope to engage and collaborate with the 
existing SCXML community, or at least what is left of it.
And if that only is Rahul, I hope he can chime in to help us get rolling.
Otherwise it might be much more difficult, and would depend on others within 
Commons to chime in and step up until we would be ready and merited to act 
directly ourselves.

> Regarding the reviewing: I don't now the SCXML spec, so I may not be the
> best one to review this kind of contributions.
> But we'll find a way to push SCXML forward.
Cool, and thanks for willing to help!

> Nice that you've joint us.
> Benedikt

Thanks for welcoming us in!

Kind regards, Ate

> [1]
> 2013/10/7 Ate Douma <>
>> Hi SCXML developers/community,
>> We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML
>> development is, and and/or who in the community might be interested in
>> re-activating it.
>>  From the mailing lists and JIRA activity we gather not much has been
>> happening here for a very long time: the last release 0.9 dates back to
>> December 2008 and the last serious code commits to June 2011...
>> Looking back through the history of SCXML, Rahul Akolkar was and pretty
>> much still is the only maintainer of the code but seemingly no longer able
>> or willing to contribute much anymore.
>> So, what to do with Commons SCXML?
>> To put it bluntly, we would very much like to revive the development of
>> SCXML again.
>> We are working for Hippo (Open Source CMS vendor) and intend to start
>> using SCXML as state machine engine in our product shortly.
>> As the latest release is so old, and based on only Java 1.4, we're looking
>> into using the Java 6 (J6) branch instead. But this branch is still 'work
>> in progress' without any release (but targeted at next major version 1.0).
>> This J6/1.0 branch AFAIK is intended to cover the final SCXML
>> specification [1], but already running quite a bit behind the latest draft
>> of that specification. However, this being a W3C specification, having to
>> wait for it to become final before releasing a next major version of
>> Commons SCXML seems very counter-productive to me...
>> Both myself and Woonsan are Apache committers on several other ASF
>> projects for quite some time, so we know 'how it works'. We would like to
>> get out hands dirty, start contributing on Commons SCXML, and help move it
>> forward towards a more current release.
>> But the question is: is there still anyone out here willing to pick up and
>> review contributions, discuss stuff, etc.
>> Hopefully Rahul can chime in (if still listening) and let us know what his
>> ideas and plans are, or else maybe other active members of the Commons
>> community?
>> As a minimum we would like to get a Java 6+ compatible version released
>> soon, maybe as a first milestone release towards 1.0, and incrementally add
>> (more) compliance to the current SCXML specification.
>> For this we propose to 'archive' the current stalled trunk (move it to a
>> 0.xx branch or something), promote the current J6 branch to trunk, and then
>> take it from there. Website and documentation fixes would be next to pick
>> up and straighten out and updating the current Maven build. Possibly drop
>> the outdated Ant build as well if nobody really is using or dependening on
>> it anyway.
>> As said, we're willing to step up here, but as non committers for Apache
>> Commons we do need a 'handle' to get stuff moving again.
>> Thanks, Ate & Woonsan
>> [1]
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