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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...
Date Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:59:57 GMT
On 13 October 2013 20:47, Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/13/13 8:09 AM, James Carman wrote:
>> Well, it has been 72 hours, so let's tally up the votes.  As I see it
>> (counting votes on both lists):
>>
>> +1s
>> James Carman
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> Matt Benson
>> Benedikt Ritter
>> Bruno Kinoshita
>> Gary Gregory
>> Luc Maisonobe
>> Oliver Heger
>> Christian Grobmeier
>> Torsten Curdt
>>
>> -1s
>> Mark Thomas
>> Thomas Vandahl
>> Damjan Jovanovic
>> Gilles Sadowski
>> Jorg Schaible
>>
>> +0.5
>> Olivier Lamy
>>
>> +0
>> Ralph Goers
>>
>> -0
>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>
>> The vote passes, so Apache Commons will be moving to Git for SCM.  We
>> should begin working on a plan.  I propose we set up a wiki page for
>> that.
>
> I protest.  It is fine for some components to experiment, but if we
> are going to force all to move, we really need consensus and that is
> clearly not the case here.  I did not vote as I frankly saw the VOTE
> as premature.  We should use VOTEs as a last resort, not a first
> step or way to avoid getting to consensus on non-release issues.

I agree entirely with Phil.

I would have voted -1 earlier, but was off-line for a few days.
This is a huge change, and should not be bulldozed through.

> Phil
>>
>> Please let me know if I have missed anyone's vote.  Having two vote
>> threads (my fault) caused a bit of confusion, but I think I got
>> everyone's vote.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 2013/10/11 Oliver Heger <oliver.heger@oliver-heger.de>
>>>
>>>> Am 11.10.2013 02:10, schrieb Phil Steitz:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even I like git and use it daily, I will vote +0,5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why other apache projects need to have their own commons-csv
>>>>>> repackaged release? why tomcat need to use a svn:external on dbcp
>>>>>> instead of a released version? why servicemix need to repackage all
>>>>>> commons jar to have proper osgi bundles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply believe moving to git won't fix those problems about the
too
>>>>>> complicated release process which scare folks here to try releasing
a
>>>>>> component!!
>>>>>> So no release happen at the end....
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the release process is certainly a problem; but the big
>>>> problem IMO is just too many components for too few really active
>>>> committers.  Once we actually have something ready to release, we have
>>>> generally been able to fumble our way through the process.  The problem is
>>>> getting there.
>>>>> I think the best thing we can do is focus on getting some things ready
>>>> for release.  I will help on pool, DBCP, math.  I won't rob Mark of the
>>>> oppty to rm pool2, but will help ;). All are welcome to join the fun
>>>> cleaning up the docs and other loose ends on that and then dbcp2.
>>>>> Who wants to step up to drive some other things  to release?
>>>> I plan to prepare a release of BeanUtils soon.
>>>>
>>> Good to hear. There is a lot to do. I started generification a while back.
>>> If you like you can join #asfcommons and we can have a talk about BU.
>>>
>>> Benedikt
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>> On 11 October 2013 01:50, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have had some great discussions about moving our SCM to Git.
 I
>>>>>>> think it's time to put it to a vote.  So, here we go:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 - yes, move to Git
>>>>>>> -1 - no, do not move to Git
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The vote will be left open for 72 hours.  Go!
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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