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From Gary Gregory <>
Subject Re: [math] Name of the new TLP
Date Wed, 03 Feb 2016 02:52:24 GMT
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Gilles <> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:11:24 +1100, Peter Ansell wrote:
>> On 3 February 2016 at 11:30, Patrick Meyer <> wrote:
>>> The Apache commons math library already has a reputation and is well
>>> kvown.
>>> Any name that does not involve the words Apache and math will require a
>>> lot
>>> of rebranding or years of explaining to people that the TLP named X is
>>> really just the library formerly known as commons math. Removing
>>> "commons"
>>> from the name is a good way to signal the maturity of the math library
>>> while staying true to its Apache origin. That's why I like Apache math.
>> I don't think that outside of the Apache developer community that the
>> "Commons" reference is taken to mean immaturity. If anything, it is
>> taken to mean something that is stable and fairly slow to evolve and
>> hence can be reused fairly broadly (per the tight scopes of each of
>> the modules).
> Indeed.
> And if establishing is going to serve anything, it is IMHO certainly
> not to be stuck with an a priori reputation of "being stable and fairly
> slow to evolve".
> Commons Math has been steadily growing, with less and less consideration
> for evolving with the language which it uses. IMO, that means, among other
> things, less and less hope to attract new contributors.
> Being a TLP is by itself not going to change that.
> If anything, the new project should mean a radical departure of being
> stable wrt the latest release.
> For users that don't care for new features and are happy with CM 3.6,
> no problem; until they find a bug. What happens then should be discussed
> as soon as possible, as the default policy has been to support only the
> latest release.
> To change that, more people are needed to maintain legacy code while
> not hindering development, including major refactoring to modernize
> the code.
> FWIW, the word "Math" on its own is fairly geographically localised.
>> The base word Mathematics is less localised. However, given that the
>> module has always been known as "Math", there are no qualms from me in
>> staying with that term.
> Staying with the old name is much less of a problem than staying
> with the old ways.

Which "old ways"? I certainly hope you do not plan on shooting yourself in
the foot by breaking BC on purpose.


> Gilles
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
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