From dev-return-1190-apmail-freemarker-dev-archive=freemarker.apache.org@freemarker.incubator.apache.org Sun Apr 2 10:35:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-freemarker-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-freemarker-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AE6519115 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 98366 invoked by uid 500); 2 Apr 2017 10:35:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-freemarker-dev-archive@freemarker.apache.org Received: (qmail 98332 invoked by uid 500); 2 Apr 2017 10:35:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@freemarker.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@freemarker.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@freemarker.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 98321 invoked by uid 99); 2 Apr 2017 10:35:26 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 10:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id A1028181420 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:35:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.372 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.372 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_THEBAT=1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.972] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mfQ9TwTWZfhU for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vie01a-dmta-pe04-3.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-dmta-pe04-3.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.165]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 7E3435F202 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.31.216.44] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-pe02) by vie01a-dmta-pe04.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cucqq-0003Hi-S8 for dev@freemarker.incubator.apache.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:35:16 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([89.132.92.167]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-pe02 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id 3Nb71v00W3cfLdl01Nb8fm; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:35:08 +0200 X-SourceIP: 89.132.92.167 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:35:07 +0200 From: Daniel Dekany X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.2.36.4) Professional Reply-To: Daniel Dekany X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <86767390.20170402123507@freemail.hu> To: dev@freemarker.incubator.apache.org Subject: Poddling report draft - needs discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit See below. It's more "interesting" than usual (graduation issues...), so we should definitely discuss this before I upload it. FreeMarker FreeMarker is a template engine, i.e. a generic tool to generate text output based on templates. FreeMarker is implemented in Java as a class library for programmers. FreeMarker has been incubating since 2015-07-01. Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: The project is still struggling to find a way to "convert" active users into committers. This was actually expected, given the age (and topic) of the project. While the FreeMarker 3 line, which was started quite recently, will be much more appealing for contributors, development on that direction will certainly take a long time. In other respects the project is mature and ready for graduation. Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be aware of? We are eager to graduate, but we don't think that the problem with the number of active contributors will be solved in the near future. One of the practical problems with being stuck in the Incubator is that many users stick to the last non-incubating release as that has no "-incubating" in the Maven coordinates, missing out on fixes and features done in the recent two years. We brought up the issue with the Maven coordinate on general@incubator.apache.org (saying that because our Maven coordinate doesn't contain "apache", "incubating" is meaningless in there), but there was no consensus. How has the community developed since the last report? We have welcomed a new committer, Woonsan Ko. A few new people has shown up to help out with our Twitter channel (such as making a new logo for it, and helping to make it more active), and to work modernizing our build scripts. The starting of the FreeMarker 3 branch has generated some technical discussion. How has the project developed since the last report? We have created a Project Maturity Model page at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+Freemarker+Project+Maturity+Model We have started the FreeMarker 3 branch, whose goal is to get rid of backward compatibility burden that holds back the project quite much at this point, and doesn't allow us to fully capitalize on the experiences of the last 15 years. In out current situation it's also very important that then new branch, as it advances, will be technically far more appealing than the legacy branch for contributors. Also, the new branch uses org.apache packages and Maven coordinates (which FreeMarker 2 can't do). We have received a bigger contribution from Kenshoo, the source code of an online template evaluator service, which we plan to use on our home page, helping users to try and learn the template language. We have released a new micro version (2.3.26), focuses on fixes and smaller improvements. We have added a How-To page for committers (http://freemarker.org/committer-howto.html), which gives detailed instructions on making releases, handling pull requests, updating the project home page, and more. We have worked some on our Twitter channel, such as we have a new logo and some posts. When were the last committers or PMC members elected? 2017-02-13 Woonsan Ko, committer (non-PMC) Date of last release: 2017-03-25 Signed-off-by: [ ](freemarker) Jacopo Cappellato [ ](freemarker) Jean-Frederic Clere [ ](freemarker) David E. Jones [ ](freemarker) Ralph Goers [ ](freemarker) Sergio Fernández -- Thanks, Daniel Dekany