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From Mingliang Liu <lium...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Date Tue, 04 Sep 2018 20:32:49 GMT
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.

Thanks Marton.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <elek@apache.org> wrote:

> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >>   (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >>   (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >>   - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >>   - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >>   - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <elek@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
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Mingliang Liu

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