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From Zhanwei Wang <wan...@apache.org>
Subject Re: libhdfs3 development is still going on outside of ASF
Date Thu, 15 Sep 2016 02:04:32 GMT
Currently libhdfs3’s official code is not the same as in HAWQ. Some new code does not copy
into HAWQ.  I do not think code change of libhdfs3 should follow HAWQ’s commit process because
 many change are not related to HAWQ. 

From HAWQ side, I suggest to keep the stable version of its third-party libraries and copy
new libhdfs3’s code only when it is necessary.

libhdfs3 was open source years before HAWQ incubating with a separated permission of its authority.
So in my opinion it is a third party and it actually was a third party before HAWQ incubating.
And HAWQ is not the only user.

Best Regards

Zhanwei Wang

> 在 2016年9月15日,上午9:35,Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> 写道:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Zhanwei Wang <wangzw@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Roman
>> libhdfs3 works as third-party library of HAWQ, Just for the convenience of HAWQ release
>> process we copy its code into HAWQ.  The reason is that HAWQ used to dependent on
>> specific version of libhdfs3 and libhdfs3 only distribute as source code and the
build process is complicated.
> I actually don't buy this argument. libhdfs3 is not an optional
> dependency for HAWQ
> like ORCA is (for example). Without libhdfs3 there's pretty tough to
> imagine HAWQ.
> As such the code base needs to be governed as part of the ASF project,
> not a random
> GitHub dependency.
> IOW, let me ask you this: were all the changes that went into libhdfs3
> that is part of
> HAWQ discussed and reviewed via the ASF development process or did you just
> import them from time to time as this comment suggests:
>    https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HAWQ-1046?focusedCommentId=15489669&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15489669
> ?
>> I do not think we have any reason to shutdown a third party’s official repository.
> You say 3d party as though its not just you guys maintaining it on the side.
>> We also copy google test source code into HAWQ, just as what we did for libhdfs3.
> But this is very different. You don't do any development (certainly
> you don't do any
> non-trivial development) of that code.
>> libhdfs3 open source under Apache license version 2 just the same as HAWQ. So I believe
there is no license issue.
> You're correct. There's no licensing issue but there's a pretty significant
> governance issue.
> Thanks,
> Roman.

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