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From lars hofhansl <la...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Configuring tombstone purge independent of deleted cell purge
Date Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:18:56 GMT
And my other problem is that I do not read all emails before I reply.
Looks like you resolved it now... All good :)

 From: lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org>
To: "user@hbase.apache.org" <user@hbase.apache.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Configuring tombstone purge independent of deleted cell purge

Didn't read the email to the end... I seem to be doing that all the time. Sorry about that.

Hmm... That should work identically, it's read by the same mechanism. If the global setting
does not work, that would be a bug.

-- Lars


From: James Estes <james.estes@gmail.com>
To: user@hbase.apache.org; lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Configuring tombstone purge independent of deleted cell purge

It does sound like what I'd want (that's why I was trying to use it :) ),
but it isn't working as described. Maybe it is a bug?

The behavior I'm seeing is that the delete markers are removed on major
compaction, regardless of having a hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes set
in hbase-site.xml:

I think I've found the issue now. You mentioned the setting could be
applied per CF...so I tested that way, and it works as expected. My
hbase-site.xml had:


But that doesn't seem to be applied (even with restarts, etc). Setting
hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes directly on the column family does work

Not sure why it isn't picking up from my hbase-site.xml, but I'll just
configure it on the CFs. This is on hbase- and
hbase-0.96.0-hadoop2 running in local mode.

Thanks Lars,

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org> wrote:

> You can use the hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes config option.
> You can set it globally or per Column Family.
> This is the description in hbase-default.xml:
>   <property>
>     <name>hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes</name>
>     <value>0</value>
>     <description>The amount of time to delay purging of delete markers
> with future timestamps. If
>       unset, or set to 0, all delete markers, including those with future
> timestamps, are purged
>       during the next major compaction. Otherwise, a delete marker is kept
> until the major compaction
>       which occurs after the marker's timestamp plus the value of this
> setting, in milliseconds.
>     </description>
>   </property>
> That seems to be exactly what you want.
> -- Lars
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Estes <james.estes@gmail.com>
> To: user@hbase.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:39 AM
> Subject: Configuring tombstone purge independent of deleted cell purge
> Could tombstone purges be independent of purging deleted cells and
> KEEP_DELETED_CELLS setting? In my use case, I do not want to keep deleted
> cells, but I do need to keep the tombstones around. Without the tombstones,
> I'm not able to do incremental backups (custom, we do timerange raw scans
> ourselves for this).
> As a rough example, if I have the following timeline for the same row key
> (where t# is time):
> t0 - full backup (using a time range up to t0)
> t1 - PUT v1
> t2 - incremental backup #1 (time range t0 up to t2)
> t3 - DELETE
> t4 - flush and major compaction happens
> t5 - incremental backup #2 (time range t2 up to t5)
> t6 - full system crash
> t7 - data restored from full backup + incrementals #1 and #2
> When the restore completes, the row will have been un-deleted. This is
> because the incremental backup in #2 will not have the tombstone, since it
> gets compacted out.
> So in our case, I do NOT want to keep deleted cells (because I do not want
> the cells to show up in time range scans users may do), but I DO want to
> keep the tombstones for a configurable amount of time (much larger than our
> planned incremental backup schedule) so they are captured during backup.
> This would allow for the custom incremental backups to be independent of
> major compactions. Without it, the backup schedule would have to manually
> handle compactions and would always have to do a FULL Backup after a major
> compaction (otherwise there can be loss because when any major compaction
> happens, any tombstone that came in after the last incremental will be
> lost).
> It seems like there could be another setting for when to purge tombstones.
> Currently, there is hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes for when to purge
> deleted cells, but ONLY if KEEP_DELETED_CELLS is configured (which makes
> sense). I'd like to propose a hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.tombstones that
> could default to the same value as hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes, but
> would take effect regardless of the KEEP_DELETED_CELLS setting. It should
> have a constraint so that hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.deletes <
> hbase.hstore.time.to.purge.tombstones (b/c we don't want tombstones
> disappearing before the deleted cells).
> Does this seem reasonable? Is there another approach I might take?
> Thanks,
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