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From George Boston <>
Subject Re: [users@httpd] Re: questions...
Date Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:22:08 GMT
Ken:  Thanks for your comments.  I changed treadsperchild to 50.  localhost doesn't display
an Apache page.  I could upgrade WinME: I have WinXP in New York with its CD there, returning
to NY in 6-8 weeks.  I installed php before Apache, a no-no??  Do I need to uninstall, then
re-install php?  php3 or php4?  If this is so, can I respond to the rest of your comment after
corrective action?  --G

Ken Easson <> wrote:Hello,

I ran a system similar to the one you describe. I had a lot of problems with WinME. If possible
switch to windows NT or windows 2000, One of the problems with windows ME is the way that
Apache and php fork processes - and ME just isn't designed to handle that - basically - it's
not a server OS and Apache and php both servers. (so is mysql).

You may want to look for this:
<IfModule mpm_winnt.c>
ThreadsPerChild 250
MaxRequestsPerChild  0

and change ThreadsPerChild to something much lower. The Apache 1.3 website for windows recommends

It's possible to get it all working, but my experience, it was VERY unstable - and the reason
i went out and bought windows 2000 some years ago. I am now an avid freeBSD enthusiast, as
a result of my web server experiences with windows, and have been migrating my servers to
FreeBSD - it's all much much simpler.

First - after installation of apache: can you enter "localhost" or "" into your web
browser, and see the "Apache web server" page. This is Before installing php!
If you can start your apache web server, and see a valid page, not a 404 error. then try installing
If not: find the Listen directive and set this to:

Listen 80

and a bit later on find:
# If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. 
and set your servername to either your domain name - if you've set that up. Or, to your ip
- or if you are just using locally to

restart the server and try again.

The last gotcha that i've discovered is that the server won't start if you don't have an existin
logs folder for where you tell it to store your logs. if not - you'll need to create the folder
(if you have set your document root to be anything other than the default that installed with

You will need to move some files for php - this left me a bit stumped when i read the documentation
as it wasn't quite clear. Basically there is a choice and i moved php.ini the window/ (or
winNT) and both php4apache2.dll and php4ts.dll to the windows/system32 folders. You'll find
these in the php/sapi folder.

At the end of the LoadModule section in the apache config file i have;

LoadModule php4_module php4apache2.dll
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

And then to set up default server behaviour:
# DirectoryIndex: sets the file that Apache will serve if a directory
# is requested.
# The index.html.var file (a type-map) is used to deliver content-
# negotiated documents.  The MultiViews Option can be used for the 
# same purpose, but it is much slower.
DirectoryIndex index.html index.php index.htm

This means that if i have an index.html file an index.php file - the html file will be display
when i ask for the root. / renaming the html file to htm allows the php file to become the
default and index.htm must be called specifically.


At 11:59 AM 29/02/2004, you wrote:
Daniel:  thank you for your comments.  Let me re-state my issues:  I downloaded Apache 2.0.48
and php3 to my Win ME machine and installed them.  Upon executing Apache it stalls in the
DOS window.  The error log get these 4 lines:

[un Feb 29 09:37:44 2004] [notice] Parent: Created child process -1457741

[Sun Feb 29 09:37:44 2004] [notice] Child -1457741: Child process is running

[Sun Feb 29 09:37:44 2004] [notice] Child -1457741: Acquired the start mutex.

[Sun Feb 29 09:37:44 2004] [notice] Child -1457741: Starting 250 worker threads.S

We have made some progress getting the right IP address set.  I uninstalled ZoneAlarm.  I
need to get Apache running with PHP.  Any ideas?  --G

Daniel Guido <> wrote:

   there is DEFINETELY a win32 mysql. you can go check yourself at it is highly reccommended if youre running anything but 

   a gigantic database for the likes of AT&T. there are also PLENTY of 

   install guides for apache/mysql/php/win32 installs on the net (search 

   google). the problem could be with your isp blocking port 80. try to 

   disable the firewall software on your machine as best as possible and 

   run over to a security scanner like the one at and scan your 

   computer. if port 80 comes back as open, your isp doesnt block it.

   post the full contents of your config file. and once you think you have 

   your server running try to go to and see if it comes 

   up. then ask a friend to go to your ip address, which looks like . if the 127... doesnt work then its a problem 

   with YOUR config file. if your friend cant reach your ip address, its a 

   problem with letting port 80 through.

   if i didnt answer any of your problems, post your problems again because 

   theyre a little hazy.

   Steven Pierce wrote:

   > George,


   > OK.. lets get one thing working at a time. I am not sure that MySQL 

   > will run on a Win

   > machine. I believe that it is only Linux, but I am not 100% on that. 

   > Did you ever check

   > with your ISP (By phone or Email) that they do not block port 80?? 

   > Sorry if you already

   > answered this, but it seems like there is a long pause between when you 

   > answer sometimes.

   > I understand that you are busy also. Not trying to be mean.


   > OK.. so by turning off your firewall, did not stop apache from seeing 

   > the net. Do you

   > get the page that shows you that apache is running?? If you open a 

   > brower and type in

   > localhost what do you see?? If you do not see the test page, then you 

   > are not getting anything

   > install, and no one outside will see it anyway.


   > Steven



   > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********


   > On 2/28/2004 at 8:02 PM George Boston wrote:


   > Steven: Absent ZoneAlarm, no help. I'm at a loss. I might try

   > going thru httpd.conf and consider every entry. I could sstart all

   > over downloading Apache then php. When one downloads the source and

   > compile, do you get to see the coding?? (silly question). --G


   > */George Boston /* wrote:


   > Steven: I'm doing some things for the Parkinson's Foundation;

   > setting up a web site to evaluate alternate therapies for PD. 

   > The process is to accumulate answers to questions about the

   > therapies (testimonials) and make them available for

   > viewers. So, there is an accumulation phase into a database,

   > then a display phase. I was working in FrontPage with ACCESS DB

   > when a friend revealed that not everyone has ACCESS. 

   > Furthermore, my computer would have to have server duties. 

   > Hence, MySQL, PHP & Apache combination is a vast improvement. 

   > So what do I want with Apache? I want to learn it and use it!! 

   > Ditto PHP. SQL I think I can handle. --G

   > PS: I tried de-activating ZoneAlarm with no change in Apache,

   > I'll try uninstalling it!


   > */* wrote:



   > A Static IP is one that is issued to you from your ISP. If

   > you had one you would know what it is. Trying to run a web

   > server on a line that does not have a Static IP is not very

   > easy. With a non static IP your IP address can change every

   > 24 hours, or once a week depending on your ISP.


   > Why are you installing Apache? Ignore my other message.


   > > -----Original Message-----

   > > From: George Boston []

   > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 02:08 PM

   > > To: 'Steven Pierce'

   > > Subject: Re: questions...

   > >

   > > Steven: I got the 2.0.48 version of Apache from ,

   > version: Win32 binary (MSI installer), exact name: Apache

   > 2.0.48 -Win32-x86-NO SSI.MSI [PGP] [MO5]. I don't know what

   > is a static IP?? My PC runs Microsoft Office, email and

   > general purpose operations. I am attaching ReadMe and

   > License files. --G

   > >

   > > Steven Pierce wrote: OK.. you will need (a must) have a

   > DNS point to use the web server to point to your machine. If

   > > not then you will be hard pressed to get the traffic you

   > are looking for. OK.. the fact that it is stalling tells

   > > me that it is not pointing to the right point. How did

   > you install it?? What version of the Apache are you

   > > running?? Where did you download it from?? Do you have a

   > machine that you run Apache ONLY ON??

   > >

   > > Do you have a static IP address, or is it shared??

   > (static __ shared changes from time to time)

   > >

   > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

   > >

   > > On 2/25/2004 at 3:57 PM George Boston wrote:

   > >

   > >

   > > George Boston wrote:

   > > Steven: I'm running Windows ME. I do not want to share

   > the server duties with NEXX. Following is info; NEXX, the

   > config file entry, WINIPCFG output, & error log. When

   > starting up Apache it processes for a bit then stalls?? --G

   > > PS: What is can I send you?

   > >

   > > NEXX.COM:

   > > Yes, port 80 is open. Port 80 is used for the following

   > internet protocols:

   > >

   > > http 80/tcp World Wide Web HTTP

   > > http 80/udp World Wide Web HTTP

   > > www 80/tcp World Wide Web HTTP

   > > www 80/udp World Wide Web HTTP

   > > www-http 80/tcp World Wide Web HTTP

   > > www-http 80/udp World Wide Web HTTP

   > >

   > >

   > > Conf\httpd:

   > > Listen

   > > WINIPCFG:

   > > Host name:

   > > DNS server:

   > > Node type: broadcast

   > > Ethernet adapter info: Realtek 8139-series PCI MIC

   > > Adapter address: 00-E0-4C-DA-F1

   > > IP address:

   > > Subnet mask:

   > > Dejault gateway:

   > > DHCCP server:

   > >

   > > Error.log:

   > >

   > > [Wed Feb 25 14:36:53 2004] [notice] Parent: Created child

   > process -1458413

   > >

   > > [Wed Feb 25 14:36:53 2004] [notice] Child -1458413: Child

   > process is running

   > >

   > > [Wed Feb 25 14:36:53 2004] [notice] Child -1458413:

   > Acquired the start mutex.

   > >

   > > [Wed Feb 25 14:36:53 2004] [notice] Child -1458413:

   > Starting 250 worker threads.

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >



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