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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Collaboration process at Ignite
Date Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:41:20 GMT
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:20PM, Raul Kripalani wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > That's a good idea. However, decisions made on the chat _have_ to be
> > recorded in the email.
> 
> Actually, I'd like to drill into that.
> 
> It's not a matter of *recording* a decision taken in a chat, but recording
> the *content* of the discussion, along with possible options to move
> forward. Discussions can start spontaneously in a chat, regardless of who's
> actually present. It would be unfair for decisions to be taken in absence
> of others who simply weren't around at the time.

I am not arguing with this. And I am not saying that a decisions from a chat
should be followed by anyone if the consensus weren't reached. The point I am
making is that off-line discussions have to be recorded (either as email or
JIRA, depends on how the project operates) for future reference, if they have
_any_ impact on the project.

> The decision itself should be taken in the mailing list – thus giving the
> entire community to voice out their opinion. If the changes are if the
> changes are substantial, structural or of significant impact, a VOTE is
> recommended by The Apache Way [1], and it's useful for the poster to
> indicate if lazy consensus applies. For smaller things, it suffices to open
> a JIRA task and explain what was done and why.

While your reference is certainly correct, the Apache Way isn't based on
voting. Apache Way is based on an explicit or an implicit consensus.
Voting-based system is a democracy; fortunately Apache isn't one. But let's
not go in this direction - it has been covered multiple times elsewhere.

Cos

> Sorry to be a PITA; but I'm sharing what has worked in other projects I'm
> involved in for the benefit and evolution of Ignite.
> 
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> *Raúl Kripalani*
> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> Integration specialist
> http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk

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