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From Denis Mekhanikov <dmekhani...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Time to remove automated messages from the devlist?
Date Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:29:43 GMT
Dmitriy,

If we want people to act openly and community-friendly, then we should make
it a part of the required development process.
Otherwise people just won't care about it.
Moreover, all JIRA tickets are open for everyone, so no openness would be
violated if we made a separate mailing list for bots.
JIRA tickets are just as easy to search through, as the emails.

If you write anything to the dev list, then only the once, who spent half
an hour, configuring the email filters will see it.
Others won't notice it, because it will get lost among the flood of spam
messages from bots.

If you are interested in receiving the JIRA notifications, you could
subscribe to ignite-bots (or even ignite-jira) mailing list,
and keep track of what happens there. It would simplify filtering, because
you should only filter out the corresponding recipient.

Currently if you want to filter out all messages from bots, you should
enumerate all possible topics, that bots may generate.
And since the number of bots only grows with time, the filter should be
kept in actual state, otherwise messages will spill into the inbox.

Denis

чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:

> Hi Denis,
>
> Another side of this decision is the openness of the development.
>
> Since not all contributors pay attention to run their development in an
> open/community friendly manner:
> - to announce important features, and
> - Telegraph their intent
> - Draft designs openly
> - Submit work in chunks
> - Welcome feedback along the way
> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24
>
> we can't just remove JIRA from the list.
>
> Today JIRA forwarding is an only way to keep Ignite development easy to
> follow by subscribing to dev. list.
>
> If we came to practice that all contributors announce important features
> and bugs, JIRA can be removed. Now it can't.
>
> Which problem we can solve by removing JIRA from the list?
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34, Denis Mekhanikov <dmekhanikov@gmail.com>:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I vote for moving automatically generated messages to a separate mailing
> > list (maybe except most important ones).
> > I already wrote about it here:
> >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html
> >
> > What we have now makes the Nabble portal an absolute mess with no ability
> > to track human communication.
> > It's even hard to search for old discussions, because messages about JIRA
> > tickets and git commit messages pop in the search results.
> >
> > Making every person configure email filters is waisting everybody's time.
> > Just imagine, how many human-hours has been spent on it.
> > We should respect time of others, and make the separation of emails on
> the
> > sending side.
> >
> > Denis
> >
> > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >
> > > IMO we need to run a formal vote on this change, and then PMC chair can
> > > create (or reuse) a separate list for messages from Git repos.
> > >
> > >
> > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:08, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > I would say that "set the filter" is not a solution. First, it is not
> > > > always possible technically. E.g. I use GMail and my dev-list emails
> > are
> > > > already use a rule. I cannot extract generated emails from overall
> flow
> > > > with GMail capabilities. But the more important things - is why in
> the
> > > > first place someone needs to went through that generated nightmare?
> > > >
> > > > Git messages is a spam. Looks like everyone agrees with that. As far
> as
> > > > JIRA ticket creation - this is all about importance. When someone
> > writes
> > > an
> > > > email to the devlist, this is likely to be important topic requiring
> > > > attention. When someone creates a ticket, most likely this either a
> > bug,
> > > or
> > > > a piece of already discussed issue, or so. In other words - average
> > > devlist
> > > > user is likely to be interested in manual messages and is very
> unlikely
> > > to
> > > > be interested in "Ticket created" messages. Not important information
> > > > overshadows important. Let's continue disucssion this.
> > > >
> > > > As far as Git - what should be done to remove Git messages from the
> > list?
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 6:49 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Petr, some manual digest, is probably not needed because Apache
> list
> > > > allows
> > > > > subscribing to digest. dev-digest-subsribe@ignite.apache.org if I
> > > > remember
> > > > > this correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:28, Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can be Jira notifications united in some kind of daily digest?
> > > > > > Maybe we can add special filter (new tasks / updates during
last
> 24
> > > > > hours)
> > > > > > with notification scheme?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, at 18:15, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should mention I disagree to remove JIRA issues as the
first
> > > step.
> > > > It
> > > > > > > helps everyone to understand what other people are going
to do
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > project.  You always can comment if it is not the best
> approach,
> > > > find a
> > > > > > > duplicate issue, and you may suggest help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PR notification is more or less duplicates JIRA (as 1 JIRA
1..*
> > > PR),
> > > > so
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > may be ok to move Git's messages to
> > > notifications@ignite.apache.org
> > > > > > > <notifications@ignite.apache.orgб>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But we should keep JIRA and test failures.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:49, Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hi!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have filter for e-mail from JIRA (very useful, I
can quick
> > > search
> > > > > > issue
> > > > > > >> there without visiting JIRA).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> And I'm just deleting tons of e-mails from GitBox &
about PRs.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I don't know what for we need them?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> May by we try to move GitBox & PRs-related mails
first and see
> > how
> > > > it
> > > > > > goes?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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