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From Valentin Kulichenko <valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 3.0
Date Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:33:51 GMT
Hi Saikat,

Absolutely, we should revisit the existing APIs and decide which we want to
keep as-is, which we want to remove, and which we want to rework and
modernize. 3.0 is a rare opportunity to do such a cleanup :)

-Val

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:54 PM Saikat Maitra <saikat.maitra@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Val,
>
> Thank you for sharing the page and your efforts in compiling the features
> list, I am thinking since it is a major version release then shall we
> include a section for deprecated features and add changes as mentioned in
> our Apache Ignite 3.0 Wishlist
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Apache+Ignite+3.0+Wishlist
>
> Regards,
> Saikat
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:25 AM Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Val!
> > Thanks for your efforts on this endeavour!
> >
> >
> > I would like to suggest deliveries changes in Apache Ignite 3.0:
> >  — modularised  binary delivery — single minimal binary for starting
> > Ignite and all other modules and parts of the project (benchmarks,
> > examples, etc.) packed in their own binary which can be added via custom
> > dependency management tool (i.e. modules.sh)
> >  — same distribution for RPM and DEB packages but with modules packed as
> > separate ones (PHP for example)
> >  — separate thin client release cycle with custom versioning
> > Possibly, we can we add additional section to the document you introduced
> > for this part.
> >
> > Also, it seems that full JDK11 support (including building) would be a
> > huge milestone and a sign of healthy modern project that tends to be on
> the
> > verge of mainstream technologies and not the stockpile of legacy
> leftovers
> > (fully support Iliya in removing all that was deprecated and/or marked as
> > unused anymore).
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Aug 2020, at 02:00, Valentin Kulichenko <
> > valentin.kulichenko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > I've created the page:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Apache+Ignite+3.0
> > >
> > > That's not everything I have in mind, but I believe there is already a
> > lot
> > > to talk about :)
> > >
> > > Please take a look let me know if you have any concerns, objections, or
> > > questions. Once we reach the consensus on the proposed changes, I will
> > > start creating tickets in Jira and a more detailed plan.
> > >
> > > -Val
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Saikat Maitra <saikat.maitra@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Denis, Val
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your reply and really appreciate it. It will be very
> cool
> > to
> > >> be able to connect and plan release together and learn more about
> > Ignite in
> > >> the process :)
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> Saikat
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:12 PM Valentin Kulichenko <
> > >> valentin.kulichenko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Saikat,
> > >>>
> > >>> That surely is a great idea. We will work together with Denis on
> > setting
> > >>> this up in the nearest future.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Val
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:21 AM Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Saikat,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fully support your idea on a virtual meetup! Once Val collects
and
> > >>> outlines
> > >>>> the main changes with directions on wiki, we’ll go ahead and
> schedule
> > >> the
> > >>>> meetup to talk things out in a bit more detail. We’ll use our
new
> > >> Virtual
> > >>>> Ignite Meetup group for that inviting both Ignite contributors
and
> > >>>> application developers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Denis
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thursday, August 6, 2020, Saikat Maitra <saikat.maitra@gmail.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Valentin
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thank you for sharing and starting the thread. I am thinking
if it
> > >> will
> > >>>> be
> > >>>>> a good idea to have a virtual meet setup to discuss on the
release
> > >>>>> planning.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It will help to learn more individual features to be added
and also
> > >> to
> > >>>>> understand about features that have been deprecated and scheduled
> for
> > >>>>> removal in Ignite 3.0 release. Also it will help community
member
> to
> > >>>>> connect in real time and ask questions and share feedback.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Saikat
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:51 AM Ilya Kasnacheev <
> > >>>> ilya.kasnacheev@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I hope to see Apache Ignite release 3.0 as API trimming
release.
> > >> Let
> > >>> us
> > >>>>>> correct external and internal APIs for which we have better
ideas
> > >>> now,
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>> well as remove old and deprecated code.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We may also introduce new configuration mechanisms and
user-facing
> > >>> API
> > >>>>>> (such as cache-less native SQL queries), but this we could
> > >> prototype
> > >>>>> before
> > >>>>>> starting the 3.0 task.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I will advise against targeting large new features at 3.0.
They
> can
> > >>> be
> > >>>>>> added in subsequent point releases, whereas we can't really
remove
> > >> or
> > >>>>>> remodel stuff in point releases.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Ilya Kasnacheev
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> чт, 6 авг. 2020 г. в 03:54, Valentin Kulichenko
<
> > >>>>>> valentin.kulichenko@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Igniters,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I would like to kick off a discussion regarding Ignite
3.0.
> > >> Ignite
> > >>>> 2.0
> > >>>>>>> exists for more than 3 years now and we've already
collected a
> > >>>>>> significant
> > >>>>>>> list [1] of changes that we would like to have, but
cannot
> > >>> implement
> > >>>>>>> without breaking compatibility.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think it's time to start planning for the next major
release
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>> discussing what should be included. I've already gathered
some
> > >>>>>> information
> > >>>>>>> and feedback, and have some thoughts on how to approach
this. In
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> next
> > >>>>>>> few days, I will put everything into a Wiki page and
will share
> > >> it
> > >>>> once
> > >>>>>>> this is done. Stay tuned!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm willing to drive the 3.0 activities going forward
as well.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In the meantime, if there are any immediate thoughts
or ideas,
> > >>> please
> > >>>>>> feel
> > >>>>>>> free to join the thread and share them.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/
> > >>>>> Apache+Ignite+3.0+Wishlist
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>> Val
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> -
> > >>>> Denis
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

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