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From Bill Dudney <>
Subject Re: Move to Geronimo Incubator - PAUSED.
Date Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:34:17 GMT
Hi Jules,

While I agree that we need to be ready to support G1 users I don't  
think putting a pause on the move to incubator is the best way to do  

So I have to -1 this approach.

Let me make a few suggestions/comments;

1) Lets update the website one last time @ codehaus from the src in  
the incubator - add an entry that says something like 'pardon our  
dust we are moving to the incubator'. Lets get our website pushed out  
to the incubator. We have space AFAIK at 
wadi to put the site, it just needs to be pushed. Jeff & Jim should  
be able to do that RSN (maybe today?).
2) The code at apache is tagged with 'what came from codehaus' so we  
can do cross server history, not the most efficient thing in the  
world but do able.
3) I don't think there was confusion relating to the lists, just  
problems getting subscribed. I think that is all worked out now isn't  
it, we are all on the apache lists AFAIK.
4) JIRA and Wiki are good to go AFAIK and if not its simple to set  
them up, we just need someone in charge of making that happen. I'm  
glad to take it on if no one else can/wants to.
5) Archives are also easy to do.

I really don't see that putting a pause on moving is going to help  
anything WRT getting G1 support up and running. All it will do is  
confuse things.

Frankly this really upsets me to not have a discussion about it  
first. I understand that there are issues that need to be addressed  
but becoming a dictator hardly seems the route to making things better.

Here are the issues as I understand them that you are bringing up;

1) the G1 support does not work
2) we dont' have an asf website that has current info
3) we don't have JIRA
4) we don't have Wiki
5) we don't have Fisheye

I think all but 1 can be addressed in less than 12 hrs. If the G1  
stuff is not working, this coup will not make it better sooner.



On Dec 20, 2005, at 5:55 AM, Jules Gosnell wrote:

> Guys,
> I am pressing the pause button on the move to the Geronimo  
> incubator, until I am happy that everything that I want in place is  
> there and that everything else is exactly how I want it.
> Right now is a very important time for WADI - Geronimo-1.0 is  
> imminent.
> We don't have working integrations with Geronimo.
> Our website is out of date/missing, depending on which server you  
> look at.
> Our CVS history has not been imported into ASF SVN - only the  
> current versions - so we cannot move forward there, or fix bugs.
> There is confusion as to which list dev people should be on, let  
> alone users.
> We have not had discussions about JIRA, the Wiki, Fisheye and  
> anything else that CodeHaus has that ASF has not, or vice versa.
> We have not considered mailing list archives.
> etc...
> Everyone is busy running around cutting the project in half at the  
> one time we should be thoroughly together.
> The Geronimo release notes give as the location  
> of the WADI project, and it will be here, in one piece when our  
> public start arriving.
> The chaotic approach to project management has failed.
> I am awarding myself military command and declaring martial law.
> This in no way detracts from the stirling work done by those who  
> have been sorting out our move to the incubator, for which I am  
> very grateful. All that work will bear fruit when we finally do  
> move to the incubator in an orderly and well coordinated manner.
> Jules
> P.S.
> There is no vote here - but a few +1s would not go amiss :-)
> -- 
> "Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
> crystallises out around it."
> /**********************************
> * Jules Gosnell
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> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
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