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From "Noel J. Bergman" <n...@devtech.com>
Subject RE: Further Development...
Date Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:58:21 GMT

Thanks for the thought (really, that's quite an honor to be considered), but
I can think of better candidates at the moment.  I haven't really be on the
list all THAT long, I'm not knowledgeable on the Apache Foundation's
policies and workings, and I'm neither a CVS nor Avalon Frameworks expert.
Plus I have a lot on my plate, too.  Most critically, vetting a lot of other
people's code isn't something I currently have time to do, which is one of
the responsibilities of a committer, as I understand the procedure.

One of the things that we, collectively, haven't done well as a group is
critique code.  Code gets submitted, and we wait for the maintainers to
commit it (or not).  I did take the time to privately suggest some problems
with an approach someone took to fix a problem, but he didn't take the time
to address the issue, I haven't had time to finish fixing his fixes, and ...

Look, the bottom line is that COLLECTIVELY we need to work together better.
If we were all a bit more active critiquing code, getting people to polish
their patches, helping each other out with even little things, then the
maintainers would have a lot less work to do.  And if we have more people
contributing even a little, then it won't hurt as much when the big engines
go off-line for other work.  We've got too many riders sitting in the
pelaton, and not enough people willing to help set the pace, even for a few

Hopefully we'll hear from Danny and Serge soon.  I hope that nothing other
than being swamped on other things has been keeping them quiet.

	--- Noel

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter M. Goldstein [mailto:peter_m_goldstein@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:53
To: 'James Developers List'
Subject: RE: Further Development...


It seems like the best way to resolve the absence of the committers is
to request that a couple of contributors gain committer status.  As
you've been working on James for a while and have posted regularly to
the dev list, you seem like one of the best candidates.  Do you feel we
should try to make that happen?


-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:46 AM
To: James Developers List
Subject: RE: Further Development...

> But is there currently ANY Developer on this project

Following up on my earlier comment, this IS the Developers mailing list,
and this is an open source project.  Theoretically, the people here are
willing to contribute, so in answer to the question of "is there currently
ANY developer" the answer should be whomever wants to do some.

The problem I see at the moment is that there have been a lot of patches
submitted that have not (yet) been committed by the maintainers into the
CVS.  This most likely means that they are swamped with work, but it
also means that useful work (not necessarily all of the contributions are
good, though) isn't being incorporated.

	--- Noel

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