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From Stephen McConnell <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Next question.. (was: Should we remove ant? )
Date Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:15:34 GMT

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> Vincent Keunen wrote:
>> Ok, so to summarize, we were discussing about choosing between maven 
>> and forrest, and now you are telling us that centipede is also nice 
>> to look at...  So you're making our choice harder!   ;-)
> ;-)
>> Nicola, how does Centipede positions itself in regard to maven and 
>> forrest?
> Ok, let me give you a broad picture of what is happening.
> We needed a system to make cool documentation out of the Java source 
> code of the Apache projects, hence Alexandria was born.
> Now I'm ready to commit new code into it from donations, that will 
> make it a complete ant-based solution for source code comprehension.
> We needed a nice system to make site documentation and have automated 
> site publishing and community helper resources: Forrest was born, 
> mainly out of the need of the xml.apache.org site.
> It will play well with other projects such as Alexandria, given that 
> they prepare the stuff in Forrest DTD, similar to XHTML, with only the 
> semantical tags.
> We needed a system to make automated builds out of the latest and 
> greatest code... hence Gump was born, and it works well.
> The problem is that it's difficult to set up, so we are working to 
> make it easier to use.
> I needed an easy system to make builds based on Ant, that would tie 
> all the above projects together and add library and plugin download to 
> the mix, hence Centipede.
> I have worked well with the Ant folks, and the new XmlProperty task 
> and part of the new embed proposal come from Centipede.
> Above all, it's Forrest Gump in Alexandria on a Centipede ;-)
> Maven was born out of a proposal for Gump replacement that was geared 
> towards building Turbine.
> Eventually Jason forked and continued on the Turbine site.
> I proposed collaboration, since Centipede already had plugins and 
> Maven didn't, but I got very harsh replies.
> Then Jason got plugins working with Jelly and Werkz, and abandoned Ant 
> as a framework.
> The bottom line: I recommend you to wait before final releases of 
> *both* projects, and then raise a vote. 


(from Steve who doesn't have any voting rights here)

> Thanks :-)


Stephen J. McConnell

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