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From "Danny Angus" <da...@apache.org>
Subject Straw poll : FW: Projects to nudge into top-level ( was Re: Concern about the futureof Apache. )
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:58:45 GMT
I don't know how many, if any, commiters are also on the reorg@ list, but I thought I'd FW
this mail in case you're not.

To sumarise theres a feeling abroad that Apache should be less vertical and more horizontal
in its organisation, that Jakarta is unbalancing things by being so big, and that "The Apache
Way" is being diluted as a result (don't flame me I'm just passing it on ;).

To address this there has been a proposal that sub-projects can be elevated to full "xxxx.apache.org"
project status, and as you can see from the appended message James has been suggested as a

This would involve James having its own PMC, and reporting to the board, and would benefit
from higher percieved "status".
Alternatively there is also a move afoot to allow self-categorisation of projects, removing
the benefit of "status" from the action of elevation to full project.

Now.. I don't know how long the internal machinations of reorg, or the Board will take, and
I would be a fool if I second guessed the outcome, but out of curiosity are we generally in
favour or opposed to being a top level project with our own elected PMC?

(I'll save my own opinion 'till I hear some others)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> Sent: 24 October 2002 10:17
> To: reorg@apache.org
> Cc: Peter Donald; Stefano Mazzocchi; Jason van Zyl; acoliver;
> danny@apache.org; bodewig@apache.org; Steven Noels
> Subject: Projects to nudge into top-level ( was Re: Concern about the
> futureof Apache. )
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:06, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > 
> >>Peter Donald wrote:
> >>
> >>>I doubt you will see any projects leave willingly while others are
> >>>allowed to stay behind.
> >>
> >>I want to create an environment where those that chose to "leave the
> >>nest" have every opportunity to do so, and get all the assistance that
> >>they need in making this transition.
> [...]
> > 
> > Have you got a list prepared of those that will be "gently 
> nudged out of the 
> > nest" ? 
> I'll start with the projects I know of that IMO would immediately be 
> ready  to be top-level and have their internal managing to do.
> These are strong communities that already manage themselves and will now 
> be able to report directly to the board IIUC.
> Cocoon: XML processing system
>   composed of core+apps+docs
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Stefano Mazzocchi
> Avalon: Service Framework and Server
>   composed framework+containers (Phoenix, fortress, merlin, etc)
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Peter Donald
> Turbine: Server
>   composed of 2,3,Plexus, (or somewhere else later), TDK, etc
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Jason Van Zyl
> Maven: project management, comprehension and build system
>   composed of core+plugins
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Jason Van Zyl
> POI: M$ format libraries
>   composed of HDF+HSSF+...etc
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Andrew C. Oliver
> James: Mail Server
>   composed of Mailet spec, Server
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Danny Angus
> Slide: CMS
>   other non-Apache projects have asked to be part of the CMS effort
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: ?
> Forrest: Community Tools
>   composed of bot, editor, site
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Steven Noels
> Ant:
>   composed of Java Ant, Nant(maybe), Centipede(maybe)
>   possible coordinator of the proposal: Stefan Boedwig
> As for Turbine and Avalon Components I'll make a small proposal myself 
> on the lists to make an Avalon Component space at commons.apache, as 
> hinted on the commons.apache.list.
>                            -0-
> If anyone here on this list wants to help, please involve these 
> communities and make a proposal ready, as previously hinted, a bit 
> before the Apache Conference.
> I hope I'll be left with no project to lobby ;-) , but if nobody else 
> takes up this task I'll try myself.
> If there are any other projects you know of that might be interested, 
> please contact them similarly ASAP.
> Let's start this flattening from the bottom! :-D
> [...]
> -- 
> Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
>              - verba volant, scripta manent -
>     (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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