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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <nicola...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Forrest-made James test site - sneak preview
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:08:35 GMT

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Nicola,
> Thanks for your changes.  Here are some additional specifics for your
> consideration:

good :-)

>  - I prefer the left flush menu area from http://www.apache.org/~danny/

Hmmm, given that it has a 3dish look it doesn't play well with the rest 
of the skin... why do you prefer it? Maybe because it's long till the 
end of the page, or because it doesn't have a space on its left?

>  - I like the indented menu layout from
> http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/beta3/


>  - I still prefer the section headings from http://www.apache.org/~danny/

;-)  I wanted to keep the skin more visually lightweight; I'll fix up 
something with more solid looking table headers.

>  - I'm ambivalent about the "tabs", but if they are going to be there, I'd
> prefer to see them look more like tabs (overlapped appearance and rounded
> corners).

Rounded corners are there now http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/beta3/
As for overlapping, I think it's more a hastle to do than the effect for 

>  - I like a > b > c nav in http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/beta3/


> We can talk about colors after you look these others over.  :-)

Yup, exactly.

> What is the current status of proposing a site-wide look?  The look you have
> in Krysalis is rather different from the basic Apache/Jakarta look, or the
> similar look used on the current Avalon site.

Well, the krysalis look is taken from the Forrest look 
http://xml.apache.org/forrest/  If you look at the two they are 
basically identical except for the font sizes and headings.

The krysalis skin is a tentative to make the forrest skin better, and 
most of the changes will reflect to the forrest skin, thus impacting on 
incubator.apache.org, xml.apache.org and commons.apache.org.

We are making a CSS-only version of it, and probably that will have a 
wider adoption still.

> 	--- Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:41
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: Re: Forrest-made James test site - sneak preview
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>What options exist to make it look more visually appealing?  Maybe it is
>>just me, but when I compare the Forrest-made test site to Danny's
> Maven-made
>>test site at http://jakarta.apache.org/~danny/, I prefer the look of the
>>  - I prefer the smaller font size
>>  - I prefer the narrower menu, leaving
>>    a wider main area, and less scrolling
>>  - I prefer having section headings
>>  - The intra-page section anchors are nice,
>>    but not at the expense of everything else.
>>YMMV, but those are my immediate visual responses.  And I am assuming that
>>all of that is tunable.  Please compare the two sites, and let me know
> what
>>you think.  :-)
> I think you have good points.
> Actually, based on feedback from you guys and others, I've reworked the
> forrest skin to match better your visual expectations.
> Take a look here http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/beta3/ and see if
> it's better. This skin could also be a visual reference for the new
> forrest skin we're doing in pure CSS or used as such with color scheme
> modifications.

Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
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    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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