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From "Noel J. Bergman" <n...@devtech.com>
Subject RE: MLMS: Pure Java Mailing List Management System -- born in Japan, named "Majavdomo"
Date Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:08:18 GMT
Kinoshita-san and Kitahata-san,

Can we get some english language description of Majavdomo?  The old list
serv in James was very anemic.  The new one written by Mark Imel provides an
extensible list server.  What is Majavdomo's structure?  How many
components?  How are they related?

It would be best to move this discussion to the developer list.

We will want to converge on a single, flexible, MLM to support in James.
Right now Mark's code is the most capable, but it isn't very mature (brand
new), and there are other people offering to contribute to a future powerful
MLM for James.  Certainly we are interested to understand Majavdomo, and how
it might fit.

	--- Noel

-----Original Message-----
From: Shin [mailto:shin@sk-jp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:39
To: general@james.apache.org
Cc: Tetsuya Kitahata
Subject: Re: MLMS: Pure Java Mailing List Management System -- born in
Japan, named "Majavdomo"

Hello all,

I'm Shin KINOSHITA, a leader of the Majavdomo project.
KITAHARA-san has suggested us the Majavdomo project should be
incubated into apache.org.
We really appreciate this suggestion, then we would like to
introduce our project briefly.

Our goal is to create the Java-based-MLMS which can easily meet
the different requirements in MLs.
The founder of the Majavdomo project, Dr. Hiromitsu TAKAGI (who
belongs to 'National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and
Technology' right now), had operated some MLs by legacy MLMS, and
had fixed many problems.

However, legacy MLMS was inappropriate for modifying the system,
because of its insufficient flexibility.

The Majavdomo has plenty of pluggable extension points and
systematic data-management mechanism, therefore it will overcome
the problem.
In these days, TAKAGI-san is very busy to work on the
security-related matters, and do not have much time to spend on
this project.
But, the project is already stocked with his know-how and

For examples,
avoiding the spam, avoiding the loop, foolproof operations
(contains safe un/subscribing), moderation, fast message
distribution, member management (as the person, not the address),
security, supporting i18n (perhaps m17n also), etc ...

The current release of Majavdomo is version 0.4.0, and this
version is applicable to common MLs.
We are now on the phase to refactor some functions unconsidered at
the first phase, or to implement several missing features which
MLMS should have.

We are confident to contrive our design, but the problem is the
lack of developers who have enough time.
We are very glad to greet new users and developers in
cooperation with ASF.

We are able to provide the source codes and its executable, and
some Majavdomo developers who may communicate in English.


In article <20030704103726.FAEB.TETSUYA@apache.org>
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Hello, Apache James folks.
> Well, I want to introduce Pure Java Mailing List Management
> System -- born in Japan, named "Majavdomo".
> Before that, here is my history of the committership of
> the apache/jakarta...
> I had come to be interested in Jakarta-Projects because
> I'd sought pure java MLMS (MailingList Management System) via google
> and finally found in Japan (Majavdomo = Majardomo + Java).
> Then I noticed that this MLMS could run over the JAMES Mail Server
> (it was just one year ago, June:July 2002)
> and became curious in James Server and translated the site of JAMES
> into Japanese and ....(long way) .. finally I became one of a
> committer in Apache recently :-)
> I've thought for a long time that it might be wonderful if this MLMS
> would become one of the projects in Jakarta, and fortunately,
> James has come to have it's own PMC and is E-Mail Related Project,
> so I've just had a humble idea that this MLMS might be better to
> become one of the James subprojects.
> This MLMS is now under MIT License and can be run over
> various MTAs, platform independent.
> Also, this is originally from japan, so i18n issue is
> well-thought-out and this has Pluggable-Module functionalities.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> [Majavdomo -- Pure Java MailingList Management System]
> http://www.li18nux.org/subgroups/majavdomo/
> -----------------------------------------------------
> I use this mailing list management system on James server and
> I think this's durable enough to be run on the business level
> (also, I think this might be used as one of marketing tools).
> However, unfortunately, the documents are mostly written in japanese
> (half of the documents are translated into English)
> If there are someone who interested in Majavdomo, please
> let me know. I can send the binary file and english translated
> documents.
> Any suggestions and opinions would be appriciative.
> Sincerely,
> Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
> P.S. If you are interested in other MLMS, try to download
> FML (http://www.fml.org/index.html.en), written in Perl.
> This MLMS is also born in japan, however, I think this is
> the most useful MLMS I've ever met. --- kick out ezmlm! ;-)
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Tetsuya Kitahata --  Terra-International, Inc.
> E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
> http://www.terra-intl.com/
> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/

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