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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: getChildLogger (Was: [jira] Commented: (JSIEVE-16) Singletons -> IoC)
Date Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:05:02 GMT
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@bago.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Stefano Bagnara <apache@bago.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>> i'm not sure it's worthwhile to create yet another logger bridge
in
>>>>>> this case. injecting a JCL log is probably good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> My issue with JCL injecting is that Logger does not have a
>>>>> getChildLogger.
>>>>
>>>> yes - that's probably the biggest mistake we made when creating the
>>>> API. then again, the JEE specifications weren't broken at that time so
>>>> it didn't seem necessary to cater for injecting loggers.
>>>
>>> OT: why not to starting a commons-logging 2.0 that has this feature?
>>
>> 1. ceki already did
>
> Do you speak about ILoggerFactory in slf4j or something else?

slf4j

>> 2. JCL's good enough so nothing else is ever to reach critical mass
>
> Joerg Hohwiller crusade to add a new extended interface for the Ioc friendly
> logger (e.g: IoCLogger) was not so bad.
> This could have been easy even in a minor release and it could have been
> added to api only at first.

there wasn't any realistic way to add it without breaking
compatibility. we analysed many permutations but in the JCL2.0 was
never going to fly,

>> 3. really the JCP should just get ceki to create a decent logging API
>
> true, but I don't expect a "java.util.newlogging" ever..

all it requires is energy

>> 4. i've wasted too many hundreds of hours on logging already
>
> I understood this while looking markmail for this getChildLogger issue!
> Thank you!
>
> Interesting! It's cool to know that someone else see things like me :-)
>
> http://markmail.org/message/4hlquicqcyovfv6a
> http://markmail.org/message/ynsu2uutkh2z7mfp
>
> Expecially http://markmail.org/message/3lnqomomugq3xyec
>
> I see at the end of 2005 there was a patch to add getChildLogger and a
> discussion about releasing and then add it, but I didn't found what happened
> then. I guess it simply died or you found blocking issues... it's a pity.

it would have required a major version increment. the collections hell
was bad but JCL would have been much, much worse. better to leave the
field clear for ceki.

- robert

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