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From Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Is JAMES server dead?
Date Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:19:42 GMT
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Markus Wiederkehr
<markus.wiederkehr@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Demetrios Kyriakis
>> <demetrios.kyriakis@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>> For your users, this is the same chicken-egg problem like with the
>>> documentation(found in quite a few Apache projects - not this one however) -
>>> new users ask for documentation to be able to start at all, and they're
>>> replied to contribute - but they can't cause they're not at that level yet -
>>> they would need *the* documentation to get there where they could contribute
>>> at all.
>>
>> if you want to use 3.x then IMO you really need to be an active
>> contributor to the community. AIUI most 3.x deployments are forks, and
>> the codebase is neither mature nor production proved. so yes, it's a
>> chicken-and-egg situation with 3.x - it won't be ready for release
>> until it's been proved in production but it's unlikely to be proved
>> until it's more widely used.
>
> Then you have to cut an alpha release (and if no one evaluates the
> alpha you're doomed).

at apache, alpha usually implies a push towards a final release. a
milestone would be appropriate.

> IMHO a release should at least be a goal of the project. "Release
> early, release often."

i agree but conflicts over releases were the major historic issue
afflicting the james development community

going has been very slow with the dependent libraries. the wider
development community can find only a limited amount of time. i have a
range of other interests and i'm not interested in driving james
development forward alone. i'm happy to wait until either existing
developers have more time or new contributors become active.

- robert

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