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From Zsombor <gzsom...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Project status and perception
Date Tue, 12 May 2009 10:52:59 GMT
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:36, A. Rothman <amichai2@amichais.net> wrote:

>
> I think JAMES is currently in a deadlock of sorts regarding contributors.
> My base assumptions are -
>
>
> 1. The only usable version of JAMES at the moment is 2.x. Other than core
> developers, very few users will checkout trunk on some random day and use
> that as a production system. 3.x is off-limits for normal users, at least
> until there's some milestone release they can depend on.
>
>
> 2. No one is going to contribute to 2.x. As everyone here seems to agree -
> while it may be battle-worn (in the good stable sense), it is a dead-end
> development-wise, and not even the core developers want to mess with it, for
> all the reasons we stated earlier. It's abandoned.
>
>
> 3. Contributors contribute to projects they use. As a consequence of being
> a user, they stumble upon bugs and enhancements, hopefully report them, and
> even more hopefully contribute solutions themselves. If they don't use a
> project, the chances of contributing as an academic exercise is slim.
>
>
> From these 3 assumptions, the potential contributor's deadlock is evident
>  - he will be willing/able to contribute only to 3.x, he will be
> willing/able to actually use in his project/production systems only a 2.x,
> and since it's unlikely that he'll develop for a product he doesn't use, he
> thus he won't contribute at all, and keep bitchin' on 2.x being dead and 3.x
> not getting anywhere, because no one else will either. While this is a
> generalization, I think it does apply to many if not most potential
> contributors.
>
> How do u break this deadlock? In my opinion - by making a 3.x release. Even
> a Beta. It can get early adopters to adopt, send the message that it's
> becoming ready for the average user, and start the use-interact-contribute
> cycle that's necessary for the project to get back on track.
>
> What should be included in such a release? what do users want? As a start,
> I'd say a Java mail server. That's what users search for when they find
> JAMES. SMTP/POP3 and a DB backend. No fancy bells and whistles just yet. A
> bare-bones replacement for 2.x. And as can be seen from some other Java mail
> server projects mentioned here or googled, that's shouldn't become a 3-year
> project, but a rather modest goal for a handful of core developers. One only
> needs the very basics that will bring 3.x into the spotlight as an
> alternative to 2.x, and after things get into motion it can take off to many
> creative directions.
>
> That's my take on it, anyway :-)
>
>
> -Amichai
>
>
+1 on a 3.x release, which I'm waiting for ages :)

BR,
 Zsombor

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