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From Antonio Gomes Rodrigues <ra0...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: http2 support
Date Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:12:57 GMT
I also think that some plugins should be in JMeter OOTB

I think about
   Plugin manager : https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/PluginsManager/
   http2 :
   Better thread group :
https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/ConcurrencyThreadGroup/
   Check test plan : https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/TestPlanCheckTool/

And an easy way to launch test from cloud like in Yameter

Antonio


2017-10-03 13:09 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:02 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 3 October 2017 at 11:55, Emilian Bold <emilian.bold@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of
> those
> > > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated.
> > >
> > > Just like any dependency. I don't believe it's a rule that dependencies
> > > have to be binary JARs. A "work" being "included" could mean source
> code,
> > > not just compiled JAR.
> > >
> > >> If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit
> from
> > > it, as it is already a plugin.
> > >
> > > Having something included in JMeter proper would at least guarantee
> some
> > > stability and security wrt the code.
> > >
> > > A 3rd party plugin has no such guarantees. I personally don't like
> > hunting
> > > down plugins for my tools especially when it's not something niche.
> > >
> > > I don't believe JMeter should encourage users to always use plugins; is
> > > JMeter something usable out of the box or just a platform?
> > >
> > > I would gladly drop JDBC/MongoDB/JMS to have everything HTTP-related
> > > included.
> >
> > I think people are conflating different things here.
> >
> > JMeter does not include implementations of JDBC or JMS - or HTTP 1 for
> > that matter.
> >
> > IMO protocol implementations are outside the scope of JMeter.
> >
>
> Yes, but using protocol clients for Load Testing those protocols is in
> JMeter scope.
> And HTTP2 is clearly one, it cannot be a plugin.
>
>
>
> >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:41 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> If the code is available as a plugin then I don't see the need to
> > >> include it in JMeter itself.
> > >> It can be listed on a plugins page on the Wiki.
> > >>
> > >> Remember that code that is added to the JMeter code base adds to the
> > >> ongoing maintenance cost.
> > >> This reduces the time that can be spent on the rest of the JMeter
> code.
> > >>
> > >> On 3 October 2017 at 11:27, Philippe Mouawad
> > >> <p.mouawad@ubik-ingenierie.com> wrote:
> > >> > Hi Emilian,
> > >> > Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of
> > those
> > >> > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated.
> > >> > I am not even sure that this project would be willing to donate it.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit
> > from
> > >> > it, as it is already a plugin.
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe before going further, we should review the code to see if it
> is
> > >> worth
> > >> > the discussion.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then we can ask Legal team, or feel free to ask.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Emilian Bold <
> emilian.bold@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> IP clearance applies to donated code which will have an ASF license
> > >> header.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> For dependencies and included works this might help:
> > >> >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
> > >> >>
> > >> >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING INCLUDED IN AN APACHE PRODUCT, WHICH
> > LICENSES
> > >> >>> ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SIMILAR IN TERMS TO THE APACHE LICENSE
2.0?
> > >> >>> Works under the following licenses may be included within
Apache
> > >> products:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Apache License 2.0
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please ask Apache legal because I don't believe there are any
> > >> restrictions.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --emi
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, UBIK LOAD PACK Support <
> > >> >> support@ubikloadpack.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Hello,
> > >> >>> See:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ip_clearance.html
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Regards
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues <
> > ra0077@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > Hi,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > I'm also curious about why we could not integrate apache
> licensed
> > >> code.
> > >> >>> I
> > >> >>> > was thinking we can fork a plugin and integrate it in
JMeter.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > Anybody have an idea?
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > Antonio
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > 2017-10-02 21:25 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad <
> > >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > <javascript:;>>:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Emilian Bold <
> > >> emilian.bold@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > <javascript:;>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> > > wrote:
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their
code to JMeter, we
> > >> cannot
> > >> >>> > take
> > >> >>> > > it
> > >> >>> > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum.
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > It's open source under the Apache 2.0 license.
The license
> > itself
> > >> >>> > allows
> > >> >>> > > > you to bundle it with JMeter proper. Of course,
it won't be
> > >> owned by
> > >> >>> > the
> > >> >>> > > > ASF but you can have it as a dependency.
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > You could also "fork" it (or "vendor" it) if
you want to add
> > some
> > >> >>> > > patches.
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > AFAIK, we need for this the owner to make a donation
as piece
> of
> > >> code
> > >> >>> is
> > >> >>> > > important.
> > >> >>> > > There is IP clearance process at Apache for that.
I doubt that
> > we
> > >> can
> > >> >>> > take
> > >> >>> > > it as is or fork it, but I'm not an expert in those
matters.
> > >> >>> > > Maybe Andrei can tell us more.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > > Have there been any talks with CA Technologies
/ Blazemeter
> to
> > >> >>> perhaps
> > >> >>> > > > donate the plugin to the ASF?
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation
?
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > Why would I do that when you have this plugin
available
> under
> > a
> > >> >>> > > compatible
> > >> >>> > > > license as well as this other one
> > >> >>> > > > https://github.com/syucream/jmeter-http2-plugin
under
> Apache
> > 2.0
> > >> >>> based
> > >> >>> > > on
> > >> >>> > > > netty?
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > I tested this one, it does not work very well.
> > >> >>> > > Looks more like a POC than a stable implementation.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > --emi
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Philippe Mouawad
<
> > >> >>> > > > philippe.mouawad@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
wrote:
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > Hi Emilian,
> > >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their
code to JMeter, we
> > >> cannot
> > >> >>> > take
> > >> >>> > > it
> > >> >>> > > > > as it would be a license infringement
at minimum.
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > Regarding HTTP2 there are many options
AFAIK:
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > >    - Jetty
> > >> >>> > > > >    - Netty
> > >> >>> > > > >    - HC5
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation
?
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > Regards
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Emilian
Bold <
> > >> >>> emilian.bold@gmail.com
> > >> >>> > <javascript:;>>
> > >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > > Hello,
> > >> >>> > > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > > I see we have a HTTP2 plugin
> > >> >>> > > > > > https://github.com/Blazemeter/jmeter-bzm-plugins
based
> on
> > >> the
> > >> >>> > Jetty
> > >> >>> > > > > HTTP2
> > >> >>> > > > > > support and under an Apache 2.0 license.
> > >> >>> > > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > > Is there any reason JMeter could
not bless this
> > >> implementation
> > >> >>> and
> > >> >>> > > > bundle
> > >> >>> > > > > > it?
> > >> >>> > > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > > --emi
> > >> >>> > > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > > > --
> > >> >>> > > > > Cordialement.
> > >> >>> > > > > Philippe Mouawad.
> > >> >>> > > > >
> > >> >>> > > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> > > --
> > >> >>> > > Cordialement.
> > >> >>> > > Philippe Mouawad.
> > >> >>> > >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Regards
> > >> >>> Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> Team
> > >> >>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Cordialement
> > >> >>> L'équipe Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com>
> > >> >>> Suivez-nous sur Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Cordialement.
> > >> > Philippe Mouawad.
> > >> > Ubik-Ingénierie
> > >> >
> > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK Web Site <http://www.ubikloadpack.com/>
> > >> >
> > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK on TWITTER <https://twitter.com/ubikloadpack>
> > >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
>

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