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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Workbench : Let's drop it ?
Date Thu, 09 Nov 2017 10:41:26 GMT
Why not consider how to make the Workbench more intuitive and useful?

On 8 November 2017 at 16:47, Philippe Mouawad
<philippe.mouawad@gmail.com> wrote:
> As you say, it’s oddity.
> A tool should be intuitive, this part is not, we cannot always say, rtfm.
> You know that lot of people don’t read docs.
>
> Let’s try and see if it is that complex.
>
> We shouldn’t say , we cannot touch, JMeter is not legacy, so we touch ,
> break then fix .
>
> Regards
>
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:18, Philippe Mouawad
>> <p.mouawad@ubik-ingenierie.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > I’d say Test Plan.
>> > I suggest testcompiler ignores them
>>
>> That would involve a lot of testing to ensure nothing broke.
>>
>> Are you sure it's worth it?
>>
>> There have been other instances where what seems to be a minor change
>> turns out to be far more intrusive than first expected.
>> Dropping Workbench seems like such a case to me; it's been part of
>> JMeter for so long that there are bound to be lots of places that
>> assume it is present.
>>
>> I agree that the Workbench is a bit of an oddity, but I think removing
>> it is going to prove much more of a headache than improving the
>> documentation to explain it better.
>> And potentially find more uses for it.
>>
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, Artem Fedorov <
>> artem.fedorov@blazemeter.com <javascript:;>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> If we dropped WorkBench, in which element we can add Non-Test Elements
>> >> (HTTP Mirror Server, HTTP(S) Test Script Recorder, Property Display)?
>> >> Can we add these Non-Test Elements to Test Plan (root) or Test Fragment?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
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>> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> philippe.mouawad@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Great !
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Andrey Pokhilko <apc4@ya.ru
>> <javascript:;>
>> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > FYI BlazeMeter will attempt to implement this change and contribute
>> it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Andrey Pokhilko
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 04.11.2017 17:06, Andrey Pokhilko пишет:
>> >> > > > I'll need to think about it.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Andrey Pokhilko
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 04.11.2017 17:01, Philippe Mouawad пишет:
>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Andrey Pokhilko <apc4@ya.ru
>> <javascript:;>
>> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>> +1 from me, I think it is possible to automatically
move
>> elements
>> >> > from
>> >> > > >>> loaded test plans.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >> Do you have some time to contribute a patch for this
if you think
>> >> it's
>> >> > > >> needed ?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>> Andrey Pokhilko
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> 04.11.2017 15:18, Maxime Chassagneux пишет:
>> >> > > >>>> Hi,
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> I never use it, except for recording script,
so +1 for me.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Regards
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> 2017-11-04 13:07 GMT+01:00 Philippe Mouawad <
>> >> > > philippe.mouawad@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>> >> > > >>>> :
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> Hello,
>> >> > > >>>>> Workbench element is confusing for beginners
who don't
>> understand
>> >> > > >>>>> clearly its use.
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> Thinking more about it, I don't see today
why we should still
>> >> keep
>> >> > > it.
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> The only advantage of this element is Non
Test Elements which
>> >> would
>> >> > > >>>>> be made available from Test Plan directly.
>> >> > > >>>>> When running a test those element would not
impact test plan.
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> The only issue is backward compatibility,
should we try to
>> move
>> >> > > >>> elements in
>> >> > > >>>>> workbench under test plan or just mention
a backward
>> >> > incompatibility.
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> Users would manually move there elements
to Test Plan.
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >>>>> Regards
>> >> > > >>>>>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Cordialement.
>> >> > Philippe Mouawad.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cordialement.
>> > Philippe Mouawad.
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>> >
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>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.

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