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From Joel Koshy <jjkosh...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] adding the serializer api back to the new java producer
Date Tue, 02 Dec 2014 08:34:25 GMT
> makes it hard to reason about what type of data is being sent to Kafka and
> also makes it hard to share an implementation of the serializer. For
> example, to support Avro, the serialization logic could be quite involved
> since it might need to register the Avro schema in some remote registry and
> maintain a schema cache locally, etc. Without a serialization api, it's
> impossible to share such an implementation so that people can easily reuse.
> We sort of overlooked this implication during the initial discussion of the
> producer api.

Thanks for bringing this up and the patch.  My take on this is that
any reasoning about the data itself is more appropriately handled
outside of the core producer API. FWIW, I don't think this was
_overlooked_ during the initial discussion of the producer API
(especially since it was a significant change from the old producer).
IIRC we believed at the time that there is elegance and flexibility in
a simple API that deals with raw bytes. I think it is more accurate to
say that this is a reversal of opinion for some (which is fine) but
personally I'm still in the old camp :) i.e., I really like the
simplicity of the current 0.8.2 producer API and find parameterized
types/generics to be distracting and annoying; and IMO any
data-specific handling is better absorbed at a higher-level than the
core Kafka APIs - possibly by a (very thin) wrapper producer library.
I don't quite see why it is difficult to share different wrapper
implementations; or even ser-de libraries for that matter that people
can invoke before sending to/reading from Kafka.

That said I'm not opposed to the change - it's just that I prefer
what's currently there. So I'm +0 on the proposal.

Thanks,

Joel

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 05:58:50PM -0800, Jun Rao wrote:
> Hi, Everyone,
> 
> I'd like to start a discussion on whether it makes sense to add the
> serializer api back to the new java producer. Currently, the new java
> producer takes a byte array for both the key and the value. While this api
> is simple, it pushes the serialization logic into the application. This
> makes it hard to reason about what type of data is being sent to Kafka and
> also makes it hard to share an implementation of the serializer. For
> example, to support Avro, the serialization logic could be quite involved
> since it might need to register the Avro schema in some remote registry and
> maintain a schema cache locally, etc. Without a serialization api, it's
> impossible to share such an implementation so that people can easily reuse.
> We sort of overlooked this implication during the initial discussion of the
> producer api.
> 
> So, I'd like to propose an api change to the new producer by adding back
> the serializer api similar to what we had in the old producer. Specially,
> the proposed api changes are the following.
> 
> First, we change KafkaProducer to take generic types K and V for the key
> and the value, respectively.
> 
> public class KafkaProducer<K,V> implements Producer<K,V> {
> 
>     public Future<RecordMetadata> send(ProducerRecord<K,V> record, Callback
> callback);
> 
>     public Future<RecordMetadata> send(ProducerRecord<K,V> record);
> }
> 
> Second, we add two new configs, one for the key serializer and another for
> the value serializer. Both serializers will default to the byte array
> implementation.
> 
> public class ProducerConfig extends AbstractConfig {
> 
>     .define(KEY_SERIALIZER_CLASS_CONFIG, Type.CLASS,
> "org.apache.kafka.clients.producer.ByteArraySerializer", Importance.HIGH,
> KEY_SERIALIZER_CLASS_DOC)
>     .define(VALUE_SERIALIZER_CLASS_CONFIG, Type.CLASS,
> "org.apache.kafka.clients.producer.ByteArraySerializer", Importance.HIGH,
> VALUE_SERIALIZER_CLASS_DOC);
> }
> 
> Both serializers will implement the following interface.
> 
> public interface Serializer<T> extends Configurable {
>     public byte[] serialize(String topic, T data, boolean isKey);
> 
>     public void close();
> }
> 
> This is more or less the same as what's in the old producer. The slight
> differences are (1) the serializer now only requires a parameter-less
> constructor; (2) the serializer has a configure() and a close() method for
> initialization and cleanup, respectively; (3) the serialize() method
> additionally takes the topic and an isKey indicator, both of which are
> useful for things like schema registration.
> 
> The detailed changes are included in KAFKA-1797. For completeness, I also
> made the corresponding changes for the new java consumer api as well.
> 
> Note that the proposed api changes are incompatible with what's in the
> 0.8.2 branch. However, if those api changes are beneficial, it's probably
> better to include them now in the 0.8.2 release, rather than later.
> 
> I'd like to discuss mainly two things in this thread.
> 1. Do people feel that the proposed api changes are reasonable?
> 2. Are there any concerns of including the api changes in the 0.8.2 final
> release?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jun


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