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From Andrew Otto <ao...@wikimedia.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-14 Tools Standardization
Date Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:21:33 GMT
(WARNING: Unrelated but kinda related post below!)

Cough cough, ditch the myriad of individual scripts and standardize in just one, or a few,
that take subcommands, cough cough



kafka console-consumer --topic foo

with ZOOKEEPER_URL as an env var is so much nicer!


> On Apr 10, 2015, at 06:

> 00, Steve Miller <steve@idrathernotsay.com> wrote:
>   I think people will thank you for fixing the inconsistent names, sure, but even if
you just break their test tools they won't thank you for the firedrill while they revamp the
testing or monitoring stuff they did on top of the current tools.  I'd rather have a somewhat-icky
usage string than have to drop everything that needs tweaking, all at once.
> 	-Steve
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 08:56:31PM -0700, Jay Kreps wrote:
>> Personally I think this is one where most people would thank us for fixing
>> the random inconsistent names, and aside from MM most of the tools effected
>> are just test tools.
>> I do think jopt-simple supports providing multiple names for the same
>> option so we could retain the old names, not sure if that screws up the
>> usage message though.
>> -Jay
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Steve Miller <steve@idrathernotsay.com>
>> wrote:
>>> FWIW I like the standardization idea but just making the old switches fail
>>> seems like it's not the best plan.  People wrap this sort of thing for any
>>> number of reasons, and breaking all of their stuff all at once is not going
>>> to make them happy.  And it's not like keeping the old switches working for
>>> a while is all that challenging from a technical standpoint.
>>> Even if all this does is break stuff when you finally phase out the old
>>> switches, telling people that will happen and giving them time to adjust
>>> will make them a lot less annoyed with the Kafka community when that
>>> happens.  They may still be annoyed, mind you, just not at you.  (-:
>>>    -Steve
>>>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Matthew Warhaftig <mwarhaftig@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Tool Standardization KIP that Jiangjie started has been updated to
>>> contain proposal details:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-14+-+Tools+Standardization
>>>> Any feedback is appreciated.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matt

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